From: Peter Köhlmann on
-hh wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> D.F. Manno wrote:
>> > In article <hoe40n$296$0...(a)news.t-online.com>,
>> > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>> >> nospam wrote:
>> >> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>> >> >> And its going to cost you reams of dough if you are overseas
>>
>> >> > get a local sim and it won't be, but you can't see through your
>> >> > hatred to think of these things.
>>
>> >> Yes, always "just buy another one". You guys apologize for apples
>> >> screwing its customers with just that: Spend more money
>>
>> >> Do you realize how utterly ridiculous you cargo cult members really
>> >> are?
>>
>> > On this point, you're the fool. Any half-competent travel agent or
>> > travel writer will tell people with GSM phones to buy a SIM card
>> > in-country to avoid paying the exorbitant overseas roaming charges.
>>
>> Yes, just as i said. "Buy *another* one". And another. And yet another
>
>
> Here's the question: how much of an effort is it worth to lower your
> expenses?
>
> For example, a USA smartphone "roaming" in EU can easily incur an
> additional $300/week in expenses. Do you think saving $300 per
> occasion worth the effort buying a local SIM?
>
> Not to be too insulting, but for the "Linux cheapskate" stereotype, I
> don't see how they could possibly say No.
>
>
> Get a clue, Peter: you're going to pay for Service one way or the
> other.
>

Well, the apple fanboiz wanted it compared to the Kindle. With the
argument that the kindle costs "only" $10 less than a iPad. And what kind
of "hypocazy" it is to slam the iPad for it being incredibly overpriced,
while nothing is said of the Kindle

Well, the cost of the kindle includes the online costs. For lifetime of
the device. The iPad does not, you pay. And pay. And pay

Either you cretinous cult members stop making incorrect arguments, or they
will be thrown back into your ugly faces

Got it? Idoubt it that you can actually muster the necessary 2 braincells
--
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From: chrisv on
ZnU wrote:

>> Not in the two example I just gave. They are both technically
>> inferior designs, justified by their aesthetic appeal. It is
>> therefore proven that Apple will make this compromise.
>
>It merely proves that when you try to do things differently, rather than
>just doing what everyone else is doing, sometimes you get something
>better, and occasionally you get something worse.

Dude. They know damn well that they (sometimes) sacrifice function
for aesthetics. If you can't concede that point, you've drunken far
too much of the kool-aid.

From: JEDIDIAH on
On 2010-03-24, Mocassin joe <joemocasanto(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> "nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:240320101426013320%nospam(a)nospam.invalid...
>> In article
>> <f402f57f-1355-45c7-87c6-0de35f9a56d7(a)19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>, -hh
>> <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In general, its pretty silly to suggest that its critical to have a
>>> USB port and then claim that you're never going to have any "dangly"
>>> problems because you're not going to ever plug anything into it.
>>
>> you noticed that contradiction too?
>>
>> the extent to which people go just to slam something is unreal.
>
> the extent to which people go just to defend something that is plain
> wrong is unreal.

If you think you can't have USB without cables getting snagged
on stuff then you have absolutlely no imagination. Clearly you
aren't the sort of "creative" person that Apple Corp tries to
cater to with their products. [snicker]

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From: -hh on
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> >> D.F. Manno wrote:
> >> > In article <hoe40n$296$0...(a)news.t-online.com>,
> >> > Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>
> >> >> nospam wrote:
> >> >> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> >> >> >> And its going to cost you reams of dough if you are overseas
>
> >> >> > get a local sim and it won't be, but you can't see through your
> >> >> > hatred to think of these things.
>
> >> >> Yes, always "just buy another one". You guys apologize for apples
> >> >> screwing its customers with just that: Spend more money
>
> >> >> Do you realize how utterly ridiculous you cargo cult members really
> >> >> are?
>
> >> > On this point, you're the fool. Any half-competent travel agent or
> >> > travel writer will tell people with GSM phones to buy a SIM card
> >> > in-country to avoid paying the exorbitant overseas roaming charges.
>
> >> Yes, just as i said. "Buy *another* one". And another. And yet another
>
> > Here's the question:  how much of an effort is it worth to lower your
> > expenses?
>
> > For example, a USA smartphone "roaming" in EU can easily incur an
> > additional $300/week in expenses.   Do you think saving $300 per
> > occasion worth the effort buying a local SIM?
>
> > Not to be too insulting, but for the "Linux cheapskate" stereotype, I
> > don't see how they could possibly say No.
>
> > Get a clue, Peter:  you're going to pay for Service one way or the
> > other.
>
> Well, the apple fanboiz wanted it compared to the Kindle. With the
> argument that the kindle costs "only" $10 less than a iPad. And what kind
> of "hypocazy" it is to slam the iPad for it being incredibly overpriced,
> while nothing is said of the Kindle
>
> Well, the cost of the kindle includes the online costs. For lifetime of
> the device.

Factually incorrect.

The "pay once" only applies for the market for which it was
purchased. The new Global version of the Kindle does works in Europe,
but if it was purchased in the US you are charged with "roaming"
charges each time you download something via the 3G wireless when out
of the USA.

Currently, this extra cost is a surcharge of $1.99 per book, $4.99 per
week for newspapers/magazines.


> The iPad does not, you pay. And pay. And pay

Just like nearly all other cellular services, and yet this criticism
is being leveled _only_ at Apple? How hypocritically convenient!

> Either you cretinous cult members stop making incorrect arguments, or they
> will be thrown back into your ugly faces

Likewise.


> Got it? Idoubt it that you can actually muster the necessary 2 braincells

Perhaps not, but at least those "2 braincells" have noticed that you
very conveniently ignored the point being made, which is that roaming
charges suck, regardless of what product it is at hand.

FWIW, I think that my personal cellphone bill record ... which FYI
wasn't on an Apple product ... is $1500 in roaming in a single monthly
bill. As such, it makes your scratching over nickels and dimes to be
quite childlike.


-hh

From: nospam on
In article <hohoqc$kf5$00$3(a)news.t-online.com>, Peter K�hlmann
<peter-koehlmann(a)t-online.de> wrote:

> > On this point, you're the fool. Any half-competent travel agent or
> > travel writer will tell people with GSM phones to buy a SIM card
> > in-country to avoid paying the exorbitant overseas roaming charges.
> >
> Yes, just as i said. "Buy *another* one". And another. And yet another

except that it's not buy another. since the ipad is pay as you go, you
cancel one and switch to a sim local to the other country. then when
you return, you switch back. but why let facts get in the way.

not to mention that the price of a local sim is negligible in
comparison to the airfare, hotel, ground transportation, food and other
expenses incurred on an overseas trip.