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From: Ian Hilliard on 24 Mar 2010 16:53 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 nospam wrote: > In article <4baa5f4f$2(a)news.x-privat.org>, Ian Hilliard > <nospam(a)hilliardtech.com> wrote: > >> The IPad is touted as a netbook replacement. > > no it isn't. It is actually. > >> As such, there is the need >> to be able to read documents and other content provided by others. > > it can do that. > >> The >> most convenient way of sharing data is the USB Stick. > > no, the most convenient way is wirelessly. I know from my MacBook, that it is not easy to exchange data with Windows boxes, in particular if they Windows box is locked down. Then there are many cases where WLAN just isn't available. > >> There aren't >> always WLAN or bluetooth available.In many cases, the only way to share >> documents with Windows users is by using a USB Stick. > > maybe in some cases, but hardly 'many.' In my experience, in most cases. Companies don't let external parties on their company network. > >> If ITunes is where you have to get your media, then you might as well >> stick with an IPod or an IPhone. > > but with a smaller screen. ....and a much lighter weight. > >> I know what people do with netbooks and I do with my netbook. There is >> no point in carrying something as large as an IPad, unless you can use >> it like a netbook. > > nonsense. Where is the advantage of the $499 IPad over a $200 netbook? The netbook gives better access to the Internet in that it can play youtube. The IPad can't. The netbook can be used to save, process and mail pictures while on the road. The netbook can be used to write a presentation while sitting in cattle class on a plane. The netbook allows you to keep your documents in an encrypted partition on a thumbdrive on your keychain. The industry doesn't quite understand what the target market for the IPad is and I don't either. > >> The IPad is more expensive than the new generation netbooks, yet it >> doesn't offer flash or the ability to exchange documents using a USB >> Stick. At this point, I don't see any reason go for an IPad for $499, >> when a current netbook is $399 and the next generation will be around $199. > > then don't get one. others have different needs. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuqe60ACgkQ0DzqJNlXtD7yUQCcD21VlnWAZrOeR9cJa67gNDv7 KrcAn0MI2JjyT2wjfHMBW9o+EePcuNs/ =vIoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: Ian Hilliard on 24 Mar 2010 17:01 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ZnU wrote: > In article <4baa5f4f$2(a)news.x-privat.org>, > Ian Hilliard <nospam(a)hilliardtech.com> wrote: > >>> More typically, a user is probably going to want an easy way to manage >>> all of whatever type of data that he wishes to snych onto the device. >>> This is perhaps why Apple ships the iPad with a USB cable, which would >>> be plugged into a host Mac/PC and integrated with iTunes: the >>> existing desktop/laptop serves as the server and data backup...and it >>> is listed on Apple's Tech Specs page as a system requirement (just >>> like all of their iPods have been for years) >> The IPad is touted as a netbook replacement. As such, there is the need >> to be able to read documents and other content provided by others. The >> most convenient way of sharing data is the USB Stick. > > Really? This is your argument? You really think more documents get moved > around every day on USB sticks than via, say, e-mail? > > > [snip] > You need access to the Internet to use email. If you were a road warrior, you would understand that it is not always available or affordable. Also, in my experience, those pretty presentations with a lot of graphics end up being 20MB to 30MB. There are few mail handlers that will handle files that big. That is not to mention photos. 15 megapixel photos are a bit too big for email. HD video of a presentation ends up being a few Gigabytes. That is just too big to send wirelessly. Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuqfYQACgkQ0DzqJNlXtD79WQCfVQmHOjKDG/UlPdSNqUwKhO80 NnYAnjebcTcPyA/n9dASxk8nLW+tAXKG =1ZMW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: -hh on 24 Mar 2010 17:03 Ian Hilliard <nos...(a)hilliardtech.com> wrote: > - -hh wrote: > > Ian Hilliard <nos...(a)hilliardtech.com> wrote: > >> > >> This would have been possible with an Apple USB to > >> Ethernet adapter. > > > If you frequently encounter only a hardwired Ethernet cable, then a > > whopping $25 will get you the accessory of something like a D-Link > > DI-624 802.11g WIFI router. > > If you have to carry this, where is the point in having a light weight > portable device. Carrying along one's own Ethernet cable isn't necessarily tiny, either. FWIW, I have a collection of cables that I've carried over the years for my laptops, including one of those yo-yo sized retractable ones which often proves to be (frustratingly) a foot too short. Roughy speaking, a standard 5m CAT 5E cable is roughly the same 'bulk' as this D-Link. > >> A typical user is going to want to be able to back up > >> their system using a USB drive. > > > More typically, a user is probably going to want an easy way to manage > > all of whatever type of data that he wishes to snych onto the device. > > This is perhaps why Apple ships the iPad with a USB cable, which would > > be plugged into a host Mac/PC and integrated with iTunes: the > > existing desktop/laptop serves as the server and data backup...and it > > is listed on Apple's Tech Specs page as a system requirement (just > > like all of their iPods have been for years) > > The IPad is touted as a netbook replacement. The pundits are making that claim, typically in their criticisms of the product. But that doesn't make it so. As such, can you name someone at Apple who has clearly said that the iPad is a "netbook replacement"? A cite here would be quite helpful. > As such, there is the need > to be able to read documents and other content provided by others. The > most convenient way of sharing data is the USB Stick. There aren't > always WLAN or bluetooth available. In many cases, the only way to share > documents with Windows users is by using a USB Stick. In general, I find email to be far more ubiquitous & easy, but this does assume connectivity. In business circles, 3G cards are expensive but no longer rare. I do see your point, however, and what I think that you're really trying to say is that USB is the more convenient tool to use --> when you're limited to doing sneaker-net transfers <--. With that caveat, I don't strongly disagree. I will, however, make note that given how many Windows laptops I've seen on WiFi trying to be their own hub, I'd be somewhat inclined to suggest that wireless synching between individual machines is (a) possible, and (b) likely to become more common, assuming that malware issues can be kept in line. > If ITunes is where you have to get your media, then you might as well > stick with an IPod or an IPhone. I was predominantly thinking of what I'll call the "starting" content for a typical user, who will want to have some subset of their music, pictures, etc, with them. The other part of this question is the mechanisms for accessing new content, and for that, there's the entire internet, via a web browser and whatever wireless connection. > >> Not having USB is very short sighted. > > > Perhaps, but you do need to make a more compelling argument to > > convince some readers. And if you're going to affirm your claim that > > typical users ARE going to demand having the hardwired USB feature, > > then we should probably also ask what the repercussions are if you've > > made an error: how is your prediction to be objectively and > > quantitatively measured? Otherwise, your assertion is effectively as > > useless as any old random string of numbers which are claimed to be > > next week's winning Powerball numbers. > > I know what people do with netbooks and I do with my netbook. There is > no point in carrying something as large as an IPad, unless you can use > it like a netbook. So how much larger is it than a Kindle? :-) I think that much of this entire debate is really focused on a presumption of how the iPad gets pigeon-holed in its 'what is it?' definition. For example, if we say that we don't quite know what it is...but we know that its NOT a laptop or netbook, then how much of these debates regarding specific features become indeterminate at this time? > > If you wish to persist, then detail out your claim's metrics (win/ > > lose), and decide how many $$ you're going to offer up to be held by > > some trustworthy third party for whatever second party may very well > > disagree with you and thus, take you up on your prediction. > > The IPad is more expensive than the new generation netbooks, yet it > doesn't offer flash or the ability to exchange documents using a USB > Stick. At this point, I don't see any reason go for an IPad for $499, > when a current netbook is $399 and the next generation will be around $199. If what you want is a netbook, then this isn't it...end of story, end of debate. FWIW, my Porsche does a really lousy job hauling dirt & rock like a pickup truck can. As such, if what I wanted was a pickup truck, then I shouldn't have bought a sports car...end of story, end of debate. > I am sure that Apple will do their damnedest to market the IPad, but at > this point, there is no compelling reason to get one. In the mean time, > I will stick with my netbook and MacBook. FWIW, I'm currently taking a wait-and-see attitude towards the product. Some elements of it sound more interesting than a Kindle, but because I recognize that I cannot assume that it is going to replicate what I know a laptop/netbook does, the result is that there's still a lot of blanks to be filled in for what its utility really is. As such, my position can be summarized as: "I don't necessarily know quite what it is, but I know what it is NOT". As such, I'm trying to avoid making the basic mistake of comparing it against what I know it isn't. -hh
From: Phillip Jones on 24 Mar 2010 17:03 nospam wrote: > In article<hodmv9$182$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Phillip Jones > <pjones1(a)kimbanet.com> wrote: > >> There is a wifi memory card that you use in place of your regular >> memory card. Last I heard it was couple of hundred bucks though. > > as little as $49: > > <http://www.eye.fi/products/connectx2> last I checked when it first came out was about $250.00. I'd consider getting one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com
From: -hh on 24 Mar 2010 17:13
ZnU <z...(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > chrisv <chr...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > > And does using a USB port imply "dangling cables"? > > Probably. Unless you're just using it for some sort of wireless dongle, > in which case it's an even worse kludge, since whatever device that > dongle is talking to should probably just have Bluetooth or WiFi. Well, its either that, or the USB drive which is going to be attached with Duct Tape :-) In general, its pretty silly to suggest that its critical to have a USB port and then claim that you're never going to have any "dangly" problems because you're not going to ever plug anything into it. -hh |