OE Is Deleting My NG Headers
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From: Steve Cochran on 30 Jan 2009 09:26 It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed, so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many years and MS just ignored them. steve "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:mEAgl.16535$c45.7806(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... > > "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message > news:glu9j6$ph5$1(a)news.motzarella.org... >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >> >>> News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is >>> different. >>> MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only >>> for >>> a few days. >>> >>> If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local folder. >>> >>> Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages >>> and >>> Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else. >> >> The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the >> NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too, >> will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if >> you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the >> NNTP server deleted them). > > Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." And > I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was > downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body > of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late > (and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in > strikethrough text; but the header would still be there). > > So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no > synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make sense. > And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE > would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. > > Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after > being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless of > the setting. Again, doesn't make sense. > >
From: D. Spencer Hines on 30 Jan 2009 09:48 Actually... I think Microsoft was right on this one. Newsgroup messages SHOULD be moved to a user-designed folder if he wants them to be saved. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Steve Cochran" <scochran(a)oehelp.com> wrote in message news:2ED77F93-0FFA-4FE0-8F34-27EC8C06B294(a)microsoft.com... > It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed, > so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local > folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many > years and MS just ignored them. > > steve > > "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:mEAgl.16535$c45.7806(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message >> news:glu9j6$ph5$1(a)news.motzarella.org... >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> >>>> News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is >>>> different. >>>> MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only >>>> for >>>> a few days. >>>> >>>> If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local >>>> folder. >>>> >>>> Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages >>>> and >>>> Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else. >>> >>> The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the >>> NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too, >>> will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if >>> you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the >>> NNTP server deleted them). >> >> Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." >> And I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was >> downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body >> of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late >> (and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in >> strikethrough text; but the header would still be there). >> >> So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no >> synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make >> sense. And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point >> where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. >> >> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after >> being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless >> of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.
From: Neil on 30 Jan 2009 10:06 "Ron Sommer" <rsommer(a)nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message news:eLCbDYugJHA.500(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:mEAgl.16535$c45.7806(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message >> news:glu9j6$ph5$1(a)news.motzarella.org... >>> Bruce Hagen wrote: >>> >>>> News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is >>>> different. >>>> MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only >>>> for >>>> a few days. >>>> >>>> If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local >>>> folder. >>>> >>>> Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages >>>> and >>>> Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else. >>> >>> The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the >>> NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too, >>> will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if >>> you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the >>> NNTP server deleted them). >> >> Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization." >> And I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was >> downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body >> of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late >> (and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in >> strikethrough text; but the header would still be there). >> >> So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no >> synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make >> sense. And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point >> where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. >> >> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after >> being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless >> of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense. >> >> > A newsgroup is synchronized when you view the newsgroup if you are online. > Old messages will be removed when they expire from the server. > The synchronization settings apply to downloading of messages, not to the > removal of old messages. > If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be > downloaded, click Don't Synchronize. So what you're saying is that if I click "Don't Synchronize," then messages from that particular newsgroup will not be downloaded. Is that what you're saying? Because that appears to be what you're saying. Yet I have "Don't Synchronize" set for ALL my newsgroups. Yet I don't seem to have any problem downloading messages. So, what am I not seeing here? > The only way to keep old messages is to move them to a user created > folder.
From: Neil on 30 Jan 2009 10:09 "Steve Cochran" <scochran(a)oehelp.com> wrote in message news:2ED77F93-0FFA-4FE0-8F34-27EC8C06B294(a)microsoft.com... > It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed, > so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local > folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many > years and MS just ignored them. > And MS wonders why they're sinking faster than the titanic while Google acquires their empire (apologies for the mixed metaphor; but maybe in this case a mixed metaphor is fitting, given the absolutely absurd state of the software).
From: Neil on 30 Jan 2009 10:12
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther(a)excelsior.com> wrote in message news:OrITbnugJHA.448(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Actually... > > I think Microsoft was right on this one. > > Newsgroup messages SHOULD be moved to a user-designed folder if he wants > them to be saved. You're saying it's RIGHT that a user should have no choice in the matter? Why is it RIGHT that a person should have to do extra work to save messages that are already downloaded? I view hundreds of messages a week in newsgroups. So it's RIGHT that I should have to do extra work just to keep messages that have already been downloaded to my hard drive on my hard drive? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Do you work for Microsoft? Are you a fan of the Third Reich? |