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From: Neil on 31 Jan 2009 11:59 "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:OOOV3e4gJHA.2384(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Robert > >>> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days >>> after being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, >>> regardless of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense. >> >> >> Makes perfect sense if someone only wants to keep a weeks worth >> of posts in his cache instead of a much larger number that the server >> might support. > > Your comment is correct . It was logical. It was also part of one of the > most disastrous and problematic features of Outlook Express. Compacting. > Checking this feature was blamed for countless losses of messages. > Automatic compacting was abandoned by users in favour of manual compacting > Offline. The changes made to automatic compacting not so long ago > improved the situation but did not totally resolve the problem. Manual > compacting before automatic compacting is triggered remains the safest > option. The option to "Delete news messages X days after being downloaded" > should have been removed when the other changes were made. When does automatic compacting take place?
From: Doug W. on 31 Jan 2009 13:35 Answer at Bottom... - "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xd_gl.19285$Ws1.2166(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com... > "Doug W." <stand(a)attention> wrote in message > news:OuPR2pygJHA.3812(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Neil: I don't have the problem you describe, perhaps you >> should re-check ALL of your OE settings and start over from >> scratch. > > I looked and looked and couldn't find anything to change. > You're saying that old messages stay in your newsgroup folders > until you delete them? That's the way OE used to work for me. > > Under Tools, Options, Maintenance, I had under "When > compacting messages", the "Delete news messages" option > unchecked (figuring that would keep them on the hard drive). > The thought came to me that perhaps there's a glitch in OE > when that's unchecked. So I checked it, and set it to 999 > days. See if that works better. > > Either way, I didn't compact my messages anyway, so that > shouldn't have come into play. > > In any case, I'm curious what settings you have, and how they > may differ from mine. Would you mind looking at yours and > telling me how they differ from mine, noted below? I'd > appreciate it. > > Thanks! > > Neil > > ==== Settings ===== > > Tools | Options | Maintenance: all items unchecked except > Delete News Messages (set to 999 days) - Same - except for Delete News Messages - checked but I set mine at 5 days as I don't want them any longer than that. If I haven't dealt with them by that time, then I don't bother. I used to have this set longer but didn't see the point in it. Actually, I usually highlight and delete them after I have read them or selectively delete and just leave the interesting ones or ones I have replied to. > > Tools | Accounts | News | Properties (for my newsgroup > account): > "Include this account when checking for new messages": > unchecked > Advanced tab: everything unchecked - Only have Use newsgroup descriptions checked. > > All individual newsgroups set to Don't Synchronize - I set mine at Synchronize - New messages only. - One thing that you might do is uncheck and then re-check settings. I found long ago that Windows occasionally SHOWED something as being checked but in reality it wasn't. Re-doing the checks or unchecking as the case may be, will refresh or reinforce the settings. Can't hurt. -
From: Robert Aldwinckle on 31 Jan 2009 16:48 "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Wq%gl.3456$%54.3094(a)nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com... >> It does make sense. Apart from differences only available by using >> a synchronize command the main thing that you need to be aware of >> is the Get 300 headers... option and the fact that its value is used to >> do >> an automatic Get Next 300... every time you enter a newsgroup when you >> are in a Working Online state. .... > So the Next 1,000 command works fine too. No problem there. > But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. You snipped the context of my explanation. I was showing you that you are confusing "synchronization" which supports OE's synchronization commands with the automatic deletion of expired headers. The latter is separate from the synchronization commands and happens every time a Get... is done, whether by request or automatically when you enter the newsgroup. > > >> If you don't want that to happen, >> either don't enter that newsgroup or enter it with Work Offline set. > > I do want it to happen. And it's happening. No problem. Then that's why expired headers are being deleted and when they are being deleted. > > >> If you don't have the Get next 300... option checked the automatic >> Get next done for you has the equivalent effect of a Synchronize >> Newsgroup command done while the Synchronize settings are >> Headers Only. > > OK. > > >>> And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE >>> would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. >> >> >> Was this with a different NNTP server? In any case servers change >> how they act over time and they may also be set up to serve different >> newsgroups differently. > > I can't say if it was a different one, or when exactly it changed. I > remember, though, that headers would stay indefinitely, and I had at least a > years' worth of headers in one particular newsgroup. The newsgroup in this context is probably irrelevant. It's the server and what it does about changing the start number in its 211 reply to group requests that determines which messages have been removed from the server's archive and therefore which ones OE removes from its cache. > One day I was playing aroudn with the synchronization settings, > and then I lost all my headers! Too bad you didn't get a trace of that. As Vanguard explained that can happen if the server is reorganized or if you do a Reset. > I > was aghast. So I changed it back to No Synchronization. But ever since then, > it kept deleting old headers, though it never did it before I played around > with the synchronization settings. I agree with Vanguard this looks like a coincidental reorganization of the server's archive, probably with a change in retention policy. The numbers would all change so you would have to do a Reset. > > But that was on a different PC anyway. This laptop is only about six months > old, and that was a few years ago that it happened. So anything that > happened on that PC wouldn't affect what happens on this PC (and I didn't > bring my message stores over from another PC or anything). So, even though I > can trace the point in time when it changed to when I changed the > synchronization settings (and then changed back to No Synchronization), that > wouldn't explain why it's happening on this PC, which had a new install of > OE. Again, I think you are ignoring the possibility that either you changed your server (in which case you could have encountered new retention policies) or the server you have been using also changed its retention policies. Robert ---
From: D. Spencer Hines on 31 Jan 2009 16:56 Of Course... He stupidly ignores all sorts of useful things he's being told here. So, ignorantly, he just throws grenades at Microsoft... Instead of reading, listening and thinking. Thicko... -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald(a)techemail.com> wrote in message news:uV70n2%23gJHA.5496(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:Wq%gl.3456$%54.3094(a)nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com... > Again, I think you are ignoring the possibility that either you changed > your server (in which case you could have encountered new retention > policies) or the server you have been using also changed its retention > policies. > > > Robert
From: Gerry on 31 Jan 2009 19:50
Neil An extract from one of my posts from February 2004. A factor in storing messages is the time news messages are held on the news server. Practice varies from server to server. Microsoft were holding for 90 days but there have been reports that this has been reduced for some groups to 60 days. Generally other servers hold messages for lesser periods, even as little as 24 hours. A design feature of Outlook Express is that when a newsgroup is synchronised a comparison is made of messages held on your computer with those held on the server. Messages not previously downloaded are downloaded according to certain rules and any messages which have expired on the server are removed from the user's computer. The only way for the user to prevent removal is not to synchronise the group or to move or copy the messages to a local mail folder before they expire on the server. Create Archive News Folders as sub-folders of Local Folder. Move or copy news messages to these folders before they expire on the server. To create folders place cursor on Local Folder and select File, Folder, New. If you decide to use the Move command you need to select Edit, Find, Message whilst Online ( preferably not connected ), use before "date" as search criteria, select messages, right click to obtain the Move to Folder command and point to the newly created Archive folder. I use Edit, Select All to select messages but you can hold down the Ctrl key, select any number of messages before using to Move to Folder command. A minor refinement introduced in 2007. Place the cursor on msnews.microsoft.com, select Edit, Find etc, click on the Browse button to select first newsgroup and use the Move to Folder etc. As soon as the messages start to move click on msnews.microsoft.com and for some reason the process becomes quicker so that you can move through 20 or whatever folders in double quick time. This method may not suit many users. I download bodies not headers so folders in terms of file size are much larger than for a user who only downloads headers and bodies for those messages they choose to read. If you have any headers without bodies the bodies are downloaded and all moved to the mail folder. Take care to ensure you are Online when you execute the Move to Folder command as if you are Offline the Copy to Folder command is executed. You then have an extra operation, which is to delete the "moved" messages from the newsgroup folder. Manual compacting after archiving messages is essential. In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File, Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to interupt or stop the process until it has completed. When it has completed close and reopen Outlook Express and see if all is well. Run Disk CleanUp and Disk Defragmenter. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil wrote: > "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:%23IgT2S4gJHA.448(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> VanguardLH >> >> I archive news posts. I do this every 14 days. > > Would you mind telling me your process for doing this? > > Thanks. |