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From: Neil on 31 Jan 2009 10:51 "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:%23IgT2S4gJHA.448(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > VanguardLH > > I archive news posts. I do this every 14 days. Would you mind telling me your process for doing this? Thanks.
From: Rich/rerat on 31 Jan 2009 10:59 Neil, This featured was introduced in Outlook Express 5. It was considered a "bug" in the beta stage, by some, and an improvement by others, from OE4. So this "bug" or feature has been around close to a decade now. Since many ISP's are dropping newsgroup service, people have had to choose another service. Many of the "free" news companies, have a short retention period for storing messages on their servers. This means they can keep their costs down, and be able to offer the free service to the public. But it also means that this OE action will be more noticeable to users, if they did not see it before, because their former new service, had a longer message retention policy. People will need to have to subscribe to News companies that have a longer retention policy, which they will need to pay for themselves. Or create a new local folder or folders, and copy/move the message you want to keep to this (these) folder(s). As stated many times in this newsgroup, the OE development team has been disbanded, so their will be no new adjustments/fixes/upgrades to this application, except for the occasional security update. Here is a short list of newsgroup threads found in Google Newsgroups, about this subject. OE5 removes messages from local file! Thread Posted on 2/16/1999 microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie5beta.outlookexpress http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie5beta.outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/293b43659ef9421f?hl=en&q=oe4+removes+news+messages Another thread about this Posted: microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress newsgroup 6/26/2000 http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/70cc5c79c3485c5f/b6e258565f148135?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=delete+news+messages#b6e258565f148135 -- Add MS to your News Reader: news://msnews.microsoft.com Rich/rerat (RRR News) <message rule> <<Previous Text Snipped to Save Bandwidth When Appropriate>> "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:cVwgl.19924$ZP4.7479(a)nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com... I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them. Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong? How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers? Thanks!
From: Neil on 31 Jan 2009 11:00 "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:utDbnE0gJHA.3708(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Neil wrote: >> >> Yes, I understand that. I've gotten that many times. No problem. I >> don't expect to be able to get messages that are no longer available. >> >> What I'm saying is: AFTER a message body is ALREADY downloaded, it >> shouldn't be deleted from my hard drive without my permission. >> > > It has always been that way. It is not going to change! Not in my experience. It hasn't always been that way. >> >> All I know is that I used to download headers, and headers would stay >> in the newsgroup folder. > > Not if they had expired on the server! Again, NIME. > >>I would download message bodies, and they >> would stay in the folder as well. (Or, more precisely, in the DBX.) > > Not if they had expired on the server! > Again, NIME. >> There was never a problem with messages that were already downloaded. >> OE was able to just keep them on the hard drive, and add to them as >> new messages became available. > > Not if they had expired on the server! Again, NIME. > >> >> Then there came a point where OE changed and started deleting old >> messages and headers. But it didn't used to do that. > > If there ever was a change it was before OE4 i.e before 1999. > >> >> So whatever your reason is that OE has to delete old messages and >> headers, I say: no it doesn't. It used to not do that, and there's no >> reason to do it. >> >> And that's what I'm saying is wrong. And OE used to not do that. And >> it was fine. > > Microsoft are not going to change the existing state of affairs. And there, I agree. I came to this newsgroup to see if anyone had any suggestions for how to get OE to work the way it used to. The responses I've gotten have been in one of three kinds: Group 1: OE has always worked this way, and it should work that way, because that's how a newsgroup reader works, and I'm glad it does. (I suspect those in this group use the synchronization settings, which is why they say that "it's always worked this way"). Group 2: Yeah, OE used to not work this way, but then it changed. People complained about it, but Microsoft hasn't done anything about it. Don't expect any change. (And that makes sense to me and agrees with what I expereienced, that it used to not work that way). Group 3: OE doesn't work that way. I don't experience what you're referring to. (And this is the group I was looking for when I came here, presuming they're correct that is.) So, since you're clearly in Group 1; and since we've established that I disagree with Group 1 (though not with Group 2), there's really no reason to continue this discussion, is there? You've made your points, I've heard them, let's move on. > >> >> If something is downloaded to my hard drive, it should stay there. >> >> >> Again, I shouldn't have to do that. And OE didn't previously require >> that. It's a ridiculous thing. > > That's the way it is. Move or lose! Got it. > >> >> Gonna start looking into other newsgroup readers. > > If you update from Windows XP you will have to do that anyway. Really? OE isn't supported in Vista? I didn't know that. So it really is a dying product. Even more reason to switch. Thanks. > > -- > > > > Hope this helps. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
From: Neil on 31 Jan 2009 11:48 > You keep ignoring what others have mentioned. How long OE retains an > article in its local database depends on how long the news server keeps > that same article. Ignoring and disagreeing are not the same thing. So, in a sense, you're ignoring what I'm saying. But, really, what's the point of this discussion? Do you think that going over the same thing again is going to get me to agree with you? OE used to not work this way, and others here have said the same thing. So your statement that "this is how a newsgroup reader works" is false, or at least based on limited exposure on your part. But let's just move on, OK? > Contact your newsgroups provider to ask if they reduced their retention > interval. It is also possible they rebuilt their article database (and > the accompanying overview database). That could result in changing the > article numbers of the posts that were on that NNTP server. When the > newsgroups provider does this, you have to reset the newsgroup (i.e., > clear out all the old locally cached copies of the posts) and revisit > the newsgroup to redownload all those posts. Not the case. > > So you might have to reset the newsgroups and rebuild your local copies > of the posts. Right-click on a newsgroup folder, Properties, and reset > the folder. Then revisit the folder to retrieve all those posts again. The messages are still there. Just many of them are gone.
From: Neil on 31 Jan 2009 11:58
> It does make sense. Apart from differences only available by using > a synchronize command the main thing that you need to be aware of > is the Get 300 headers... option and the fact that its value is used to > do > an automatic Get Next 300... every time you enter a newsgroup when you > are in a Working Online state. I don't have any problem getting headers. OE gets them for me automatically when I enter a newsgroup. No problem. And I have it set to 1,000, not 300. So the Next 1,000 command works fine too. No problem there. But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. > If you don't want that to happen, > either don't enter that newsgroup or enter it with Work Offline set. I do want it to happen. And it's happening. No problem. > If you don't have the Get next 300... option checked the automatic > Get next done for you has the equivalent effect of a Synchronize > Newsgroup command done while the Synchronize settings are > Headers Only. OK. >> And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE >> would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. > > > Was this with a different NNTP server? In any case servers change > how they act over time and they may also be set up to serve different > newsgroups differently. I can't say if it was a different one, or when exactly it changed. I remember, though, that headers would stay indefinitely, and I had at least a years' worth of headers in one particular newsgroup. One day I was playing aroudn with the synchronization settings, and then I lost all my headers! I was aghast. So I changed it back to No Synchronization. But ever since then, it kept deleting old headers, though it never did it before I played around with the synchronization settings. But that was on a different PC anyway. This laptop is only about six months old, and that was a few years ago that it happened. So anything that happened on that PC wouldn't affect what happens on this PC (and I didn't bring my message stores over from another PC or anything). So, even though I can trace the point in time when it changed to when I changed the synchronization settings (and then changed back to No Synchronization), that wouldn't explain why it's happening on this PC, which had a new install of OE. Neil |