From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on
Devil's Advocate: If posts were not removed from OE (in its current design
state) when they were removed from the server and a heavy newsgroup user
never deleted any posts manually, consider how bloated and ripe for
corruption the message store would become over time!
--
~PA�

Steve Cochran wrote:
> It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed,
> so
> if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local folders.
> That is the only way. People complained about this for many years and MS
> just ignored them.
>
> steve
>
> "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mEAgl.16535$c45.7806(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:glu9j6$ph5$1(a)news.motzarella.org...
>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>> News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
>>>> different.
>>>> MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some only
>>>> for
>>>> a few days.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local
>>>> folder.
>>>>
>>>> Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All Messages
>>>> and
>>>> Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.
>>>
>>> The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
>>> NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
>>> will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
>>> you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
>>> NNTP server deleted them).
>>
>> Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization."
>> And
>> I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
>> downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the body
>> of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was too late
>> (and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the header in
>> strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).
>>
>> So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
>> synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make
>> sense.
>> And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point where OE
>> would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.
>>
>> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
>> being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless
>> of
>> the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.

From: D. Spencer Hines on
Actually...

I think Microsoft was right on this one.

Put the newsgroup messages you want to save in a/several folder/s you have
designed for that purpose.

Keep Outlook Express...

Lean & Mean.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MNEgl.16543$c45.779(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...

> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther(a)excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:OrITbnugJHA.448(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Actually...
>>
>> I think Microsoft was right on this one.
>>
>> Newsgroup messages SHOULD be moved to a user-designed folder if he wants
>> them to be saved.

<baldersnip>


From: D. Spencer Hines on
Of course...

These resistant pogues couldn't get their noodles around that one

Keep OE = Outlook EXPRESS.

Don't Bloat It.

D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23lVZEIvgJHA.4220(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Devil's Advocate: If posts were not removed from OE (in its current design
> state) when they were removed from the server and a heavy newsgroup user
> never deleted any posts manually, consider how bloated and ripe for
> corruption the message store would become over time!
> --
> ~PA�


From: NormanM on
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:09:56 -0600, Neil wrote:

> "Steve Cochran" <scochran(a)oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:2ED77F93-0FFA-4FE0-8F34-27EC8C06B294(a)microsoft.com...

>> It never made sense and its been a problem since OE4. It won't be fixed,
>> so if you wish to keep NG messages, you have to copy them to local
>> folders. That is the only way. People complained about this for many
>> years and MS just ignored them.

> And MS wonders why they're sinking faster than the titanic while Google
> acquires their empire (apologies for the mixed metaphor; but maybe in this
> case a mixed metaphor is fitting, given the absolutely absurd state of the
> software).

Very mixed up. Google does not publish software. Microsoft is only losing on
the web search front.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
From: Ron Sommer on


"Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:EIEgl.16541$c45.8516(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer(a)nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
> news:eLCbDYugJHA.500(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:mEAgl.16535$c45.7806(a)nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
>>> news:glu9j6$ph5$1(a)news.motzarella.org...
>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> News servers only keep posts for a period of time. Each server is
>>>>> different.
>>>>> MSNews keeps them for 90 days. Some servers keep them longer, some
>>>>> only for
>>>>> a few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to keep posts indefinitely, copy them to an OE local
>>>>> folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, make sure that in View | Current View, you have Show All
>>>>> Messages and
>>>>> Group messages By Conversation checked and nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> The reason regarding Bruce's reply is that OE remains in sync with the
>>>> NNTP server. If the NNTP server expires and drops a post then so, too,
>>>> will OE. You need to move items out of the newsgroups folder in OE if
>>>> you don't want them to get synchronized (i.e., deleted in OE after the
>>>> NNTP server deleted them).
>>>
>>> Again, I have my synchronization settings set to "No synchronization."
>>> And I remember my headers used to stay indefinitely. Once a header was
>>> downloaded, it would just stay in the folder. If I hadn't gotten the
>>> body of a message, and it scrolled off the server, then, yeah, it was
>>> too late (and when I tried to get that expired text, OE would show the
>>> header in strikethrough text; but the header would still be there).
>>>
>>> So what's the point of having a synchronization setting of "no
>>> synchronization" if OE is going to synchronize anyway? Doesn't make
>>> sense. And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point
>>> where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely.
>>>
>>> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days after
>>> being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them anyway, regardless
>>> of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense.
>>>
>>>
>> A newsgroup is synchronized when you view the newsgroup if you are
>> online.
>> Old messages will be removed when they expire from the server.
>> The synchronization settings apply to downloading of messages, not to the
>> removal of old messages.
>> If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be
>> downloaded, click Don't Synchronize.
>
> So what you're saying is that if I click "Don't Synchronize," then
> messages from that particular newsgroup will not be downloaded. Is that
> what you're saying? Because that appears to be what you're saying. Yet I
> have "Don't Synchronize" set for ALL my newsgroups. Yet I don't seem to
> have any problem downloading messages.
>
> So, what am I not seeing here?
>
>
>
>> The only way to keep old messages is to move them to a user created
>> folder.
>
>

"If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be
downloaded, click Don't Synchronize." comes from OE help.
Tools, Accounts, newsgroup server settings has Include this account when
sending and receiving.
All newsgroups under that server will be affected by that setting.
Each newsgroup has synchronization settings. Those settings apply when OE
sends and receives.
When you view a newsgroup and you are online, that newsgroup will be
synchronized and headers, new messages only, or all messages will be
downloaded.
By being online and entering the newsgroup, you are telling OE to
synchronize.
You can't get new messages or headers without synchronizing.
--
Ronald Sommer


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