OE Is Deleting My NG Headers
in [Outlook Express]
|
Prev: Error code 0x800CCC0E & 0X8000CCC78
Next: errore
From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 06:04 Thank you for this very helpful response. "Rich/rerat" <rrr_news(a)isp.com> wrote in message news:O7U3zz7gJHA.1248(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Neil, > This featured was introduced in Outlook Express 5. It was considered a > "bug" in > the beta stage, by some, and an improvement by others, from OE4. So this > "bug" > or feature has been around close to a decade now. > > Since many ISP's are dropping newsgroup service, people have had to choose > another service. Many of the "free" news companies, have a short retention > period for storing messages on their servers. This means they can keep > their > costs down, and be able to offer the free service to the public. But it > also > means that this OE action will be more noticeable to users, if they did > not see > it before, because their former new service, had a longer message > retention > policy. People will need to have to subscribe to News companies that have > a > longer retention policy, which they will need to pay for themselves. Or > create a > new local folder or folders, and copy/move the message you want to keep to > this > (these) folder(s). > > As stated many times in this newsgroup, the OE development team has been > disbanded, so their will be no new adjustments/fixes/upgrades to this > application, except for the occasional security update. > > Here is a short list of newsgroup threads found in Google Newsgroups, > about this > subject. > > OE5 removes messages from local file! Thread Posted on 2/16/1999 > > microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie5beta.outlookexpress > > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie5beta.outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/293b43659ef9421f?hl=en&q=oe4+removes+news+messages > > Another thread about this Posted: > > microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress newsgroup 6/26/2000 > > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/70cc5c79c3485c5f/b6e258565f148135?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=delete+news+messages#b6e258565f148135 > > > -- > Add MS to your News Reader: news://msnews.microsoft.com > Rich/rerat > (RRR News) <message rule> > <<Previous Text Snipped to Save Bandwidth When Appropriate>> > > > "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:cVwgl.19924$ZP4.7479(a)nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com... > I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded > headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them. > > Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my > subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong? > How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers? > > Thanks! > >
From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 06:14 Thanks for the helpful note. I don;t think it was any of these. But thanks for sharing this info! Neil "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:O%23xxBEBhJHA.1288(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Neil > > Loss of newgroup messages. This can happen if something happens to cause > the folder (file) to corrupt. A power failure could cause corruption if > data was being written to the file and the process was interupted. > Newsgroup folders can get very large so that a system lacking resources in > terms of memory and CPU capacity can have difficulty handling the file. In > this situation the chances of interuption and corruption are greater. > Interupting the automatic compaction process is the most common cause of > file corruption. Normally users report loss of messages from the inbox or > sent items folders. These messages are irreplaceable, whereas messages in > newsgroup folders can easily be replaced. As a consequence loss of > newsgroup messages is not commonly reported. > > The delete option when compacting was also a common cause of file > corruption because it could be working when Outlook Express was amongst > other things Online. Compacting was supposed to work in the background > allowing the user to continue to use Outlook Express for reading, writing > and posting messages. It was a disaster. The opportunities for > interupting the compaction process were significantly increased and file > corruption was common until the user of Outlook Express learnt how to > adopt practices to minimise the risk. In the absence of measures from > Microsoft to resolve the problem Steve Cochran, posting in this > conversation, wrote his first message recovery utility, DBXtract, to help > users recover messages from corrupted dbx files. The delete option was > specifically designed to work with Compacting messages in the Background. > You had to select the option to Compact Messages in the Background for the > delete option to work. When Microsoft eventually removed the option to > Compact Messages in the Background they overlooked the delete option and > it became a redundant relic. > > Another way to lose newsgroup messages is to unintentionally delete > messages by clicking on the wrong button. In Tools, Options, Maintenance, > CleanUp now are four buttons. One is Compact but the other three buttons > all remove the contents of the selected folder. > > > -- > > > > Hope this helps. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Neil wrote: >>> It does make sense. Apart from differences only available by using >>> a synchronize command the main thing that you need to be aware of >>> is the Get 300 headers... option and the fact that its value is >>> used to do >>> an automatic Get Next 300... every time you enter a newsgroup when >>> you are in a Working Online state. >> >> I don't have any problem getting headers. OE gets them for me >> automatically when I enter a newsgroup. No problem. And I have it set >> to 1,000, not 300. So the Next 1,000 command works fine too. No >> problem there. But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. >> >> >>> If you don't want that to happen, >>> either don't enter that newsgroup or enter it with Work Offline set. >> >> I do want it to happen. And it's happening. No problem. >> >> >>> If you don't have the Get next 300... option checked the automatic >>> Get next done for you has the equivalent effect of a Synchronize >>> Newsgroup command done while the Synchronize settings are >>> Headers Only. >> >> OK. >> >> >>>> And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point >>>> where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. >>> >>> >>> Was this with a different NNTP server? In any case servers change >>> how they act over time and they may also be set up to serve different >>> newsgroups differently. >> >> I can't say if it was a different one, or when exactly it changed. I >> remember, though, that headers would stay indefinitely, and I had at >> least a years' worth of headers in one particular newsgroup. One day >> I was playing aroudn with the synchronization settings, and then I >> lost all my headers! I was aghast. So I changed it back to No >> Synchronization. But ever since then, it kept deleting old headers, >> though it never did it before I played around with the >> synchronization settings. >> But that was on a different PC anyway. This laptop is only about six >> months old, and that was a few years ago that it happened. So >> anything that happened on that PC wouldn't affect what happens on >> this PC (and I didn't bring my message stores over from another PC or >> anything). So, even though I can trace the point in time when it >> changed to when I changed the synchronization settings (and then >> changed back to No Synchronization), that wouldn't explain why it's >> happening on this PC, which had a new install of OE. >> >> Neil > >
From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 07:19 > Sorry. My fingers typed other than my intentions. Google does not publish > an > Operating System; which is the core business of Microsoft. Microsoft's core businesses are Windows and Office. Losing Office would be a very big deal to them. So important is Office that years ago they invested in Apple Computer, their chief OS rival, to ensure that Apple didn't go under, most likely because of all of the Apple Office users. > I am not really interested in web-based OSes. Those would require an > always > on Internet connection. In the event that my Internet connection dies (and > it happens about once a month, whether I like it, or not), my web-based OS > would be useless; my computer nothing more than an expensive doorstop. > I'll > stick to a disk-based OS, thank you. You're completely mistaken here. First, Chrome (or IE, or Firefox) is not "web-based." You can't have a web-based browser that's used for browsing the web! The browser is itself your window to the web. All browsers (including Chrome) are PC-based, and are installed on the hard drive. Second, I did note that Google is giving their web-based applications an offline mode, so that you can use them when there's no Internet connection. That takes care of our "doorstop" scenario. Third, the distinction between online and offline is growing fainter every day. Search tools routinely search your desktop or online resources or both. Windows Explorer works with your computer's file system; but can also be used for FTP access; etc. So the online world is more and more being seen as an extension of the offline world, even though one might not always be available to go online. So your concerns about a "web-based OS" are misguided. If Chrome eventually did evolve into an OS, it would be hard-drive based, would work with both online and offline elements, and would seamlessly connect the two. And, just as Windows provided support for DOS apps (and still does), so the OS would provide support for legacy Windows apps. Whether or not this will happen remains to be seen. I'm just saying that I believe that that's the direction Google is planning on going in with their new browser. But one thing's for sure: if it does happen, given Google's tendency to completely outdo the competition when it develops things, it's doubtful that you'll be wanting to stick with Windows 2015 (or whatever version they have out then), any more than DOS users wanted to stay with DOS when Windows 3.0 came out. Neil
From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 07:26 Thanks, that's helpful! "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:ektoscAhJHA.4880(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Neil > > An extract from one of my posts from February 2004. > > A factor in storing messages is the time news messages are held on the > news server. Practice varies from server to server. Microsoft were holding > for 90 days but there have been reports that this has been reduced for > some groups to 60 days. Generally other servers hold messages for lesser > periods, even as little as 24 hours. A design feature of Outlook Express > is that when a newsgroup is synchronised a comparison is made of messages > held on your computer with those held on the server. Messages not > previously downloaded are downloaded according to certain rules and any > messages which have expired on the server are removed from the user's > computer. The only way for the user to prevent removal is not to > synchronise the group or to move or copy the messages to a local mail > folder before they expire on the server. > > Create Archive News Folders as sub-folders of Local Folder. Move or copy > news messages to these folders before they expire on the server. To create > folders place cursor on Local Folder and select File, Folder, New. If you > decide to use the Move command you need to select Edit, Find, Message > whilst Online ( preferably not connected ), use before "date" as search > criteria, select messages, right click to obtain the Move to Folder > command and point to the newly created Archive folder. > > I use Edit, Select All to select messages but you can hold down the Ctrl > key, select any number of messages before using to Move to Folder command. > > A minor refinement introduced in 2007. Place the cursor on > msnews.microsoft.com, select Edit, Find etc, click on the Browse button to > select first newsgroup and use the Move to Folder etc. As soon as the > messages start to move click on msnews.microsoft.com and for some reason > the process becomes quicker so that you can move through 20 or whatever > folders in double quick time. > > This method may not suit many users. I download bodies not headers so > folders in terms of file size are much larger than for a user who only > downloads headers and bodies for those messages they choose to read. If > you have any headers without bodies the bodies are downloaded and all > moved to the mail folder. Take care to ensure you are Online when you > execute the Move to Folder command as if you are Offline the Copy to > Folder command is executed. You then have an extra operation, which is to > delete the "moved" messages from the newsgroup folder. > > Manual compacting after archiving messages is essential. > > In Outlook Express place the cursor on Local Folders and select File, > Work Offline followed by File, Folder, Compact All. Do not attempt to > interupt or stop the process until it has completed. When it has > completed close and reopen Outlook Express and see if all is > well. Run Disk CleanUp and Disk Defragmenter. > > -- > > > > Hope this helps. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Neil wrote: >> "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:%23IgT2S4gJHA.448(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> VanguardLH >>> >>> I archive news posts. I do this every 14 days. >> >> Would you mind telling me your process for doing this? >> >> Thanks. > >
From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 07:30
>> Tools | Options | Maintenance: all items unchecked except >> Delete News Messages (set to 999 days) > - > Same - except for Delete News Messages - checked but I set mine > at 5 days as I don't want them any longer than that. If I > haven't dealt with them by that time, then I don't bother. I > used to have this set longer but didn't see the point in it. > Actually, I usually highlight and delete them after I have read > them or selectively delete and just leave the interesting ones > or ones I have replied to. Thanks for the reply. One thing I'm confused about is this: you said that you haven't experienced the behavior I'm talking about. But you delete your messages every five days, if not sooner. My downloaded messages stay at least 5 days. They just eventually get deleted, usually after a few weeks. So if you're not keeping your messages for several weeks, then that's a different situation. Guess I wasn't clear about how long my messages were staying. Sorry. > One thing that you might do is uncheck and then re-check > settings. I found long ago that Windows occasionally SHOWED > something as being checked but in reality it wasn't. Re-doing > the checks or unchecking as the case may be, will refresh or > reinforce the settings. Can't hurt. > - Yes, that's a good idea. Thanks! Neil |