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From: Neil on 1 Feb 2009 07:50 > Yep... > > "Neil" is a pimply-faced kid -- in way over his depth. > > He can only transmit and not receive. > You're too funny! When I read these things you write, I initially start cracking up at how ridiculous they are. Then I'm filled with empathy and pity at what a sad individual you must be to feel the need to continually follow me around and write such things. I mean, seriously: this is very sad. Please get a life.
From: Gerry on 1 Feb 2009 07:50 Neil You can get situations where headers appear and when you go to get the body it is no longer there. Numbers involved are few. I have seen this attributed to messages being cancelled by the sender. I have not seen this phenomenon remove messages with bodies. The cancelled header remains until the newsgroup is next synchronised. Another problem that can arise is not to receive newsgroup messages that have been posted. This is most noticeable if one of the missing messages is one of your own. This arises where two or more servers are supposed to be synchronised but something goes awry and they are not synchronised. . You get messages from one server and then get messages later from one of the others and find you have missing messages. This situation can be confirmed by checking that the numbering of messages is an unbroken sequence. It has not happened so often recently as in the past. The solution is to reset the newsgroup and start again. The situation when you lost newsgroup messages. Was it before or since the introduction of OE5.00? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil wrote: > Thanks for the helpful note. I don;t think it was any of these. But > thanks for sharing this info! > > Neil > > > "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:O%23xxBEBhJHA.1288(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Neil >> >> Loss of newgroup messages. This can happen if something happens to >> cause the folder (file) to corrupt. A power failure could cause >> corruption if data was being written to the file and the process was >> interupted. Newsgroup folders can get very large so that a system >> lacking resources in terms of memory and CPU capacity can have >> difficulty handling the file. In this situation the chances of >> interuption and corruption are greater. Interupting the automatic >> compaction process is the most common cause of file corruption. >> Normally users report loss of messages from the inbox or sent items >> folders. These messages are irreplaceable, whereas messages in >> newsgroup folders can easily be replaced. As a consequence loss of >> newsgroup messages is not commonly reported. The delete option when >> compacting was also a common cause of file >> corruption because it could be working when Outlook Express was >> amongst other things Online. Compacting was supposed to work in the >> background allowing the user to continue to use Outlook Express for >> reading, writing and posting messages. It was a disaster. The >> opportunities for interupting the compaction process were >> significantly increased and file corruption was common until the >> user of Outlook Express learnt how to adopt practices to minimise >> the risk. In the absence of measures from Microsoft to resolve the >> problem Steve Cochran, posting in this conversation, wrote his first >> message recovery utility, DBXtract, to help users recover messages >> from corrupted dbx files. The delete option was specifically >> designed to work with Compacting messages in the Background. You had >> to select the option to Compact Messages in the Background for the >> delete option to work. When Microsoft eventually removed the option >> to Compact Messages in the Background they overlooked the delete >> option and it became a redundant relic. Another way to lose newsgroup >> messages is to unintentionally delete >> messages by clicking on the wrong button. In Tools, Options, >> Maintenance, CleanUp now are four buttons. One is Compact but the >> other three buttons all remove the contents of the selected folder. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Neil wrote: >>>> It does make sense. Apart from differences only available by >>>> using a synchronize command the main thing that you need to be >>>> aware of is the Get 300 headers... option and the fact that its >>>> value is >>>> used to do >>>> an automatic Get Next 300... every time you enter a newsgroup when >>>> you are in a Working Online state. >>> >>> I don't have any problem getting headers. OE gets them for me >>> automatically when I enter a newsgroup. No problem. And I have it >>> set to 1,000, not 300. So the Next 1,000 command works fine too. No >>> problem there. But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. >>> >>> >>>> If you don't want that to happen, >>>> either don't enter that newsgroup or enter it with Work Offline >>>> set. >>> >>> I do want it to happen. And it's happening. No problem. >>> >>> >>>> If you don't have the Get next 300... option checked the automatic >>>> Get next done for you has the equivalent effect of a Synchronize >>>> Newsgroup command done while the Synchronize settings are >>>> Headers Only. >>> >>> OK. >>> >>> >>>>> And, like I said, didn't used to be that way. I remember a point >>>>> where OE would keep downloaded headers indefinitely. >>>> >>>> >>>> Was this with a different NNTP server? In any case servers change >>>> how they act over time and they may also be set up to serve >>>> different newsgroups differently. >>> >>> I can't say if it was a different one, or when exactly it changed. I >>> remember, though, that headers would stay indefinitely, and I had at >>> least a years' worth of headers in one particular newsgroup. One day >>> I was playing aroudn with the synchronization settings, and then I >>> lost all my headers! I was aghast. So I changed it back to No >>> Synchronization. But ever since then, it kept deleting old headers, >>> though it never did it before I played around with the >>> synchronization settings. >>> But that was on a different PC anyway. This laptop is only about six >>> months old, and that was a few years ago that it happened. So >>> anything that happened on that PC wouldn't affect what happens on >>> this PC (and I didn't bring my message stores over from another PC >>> or anything). So, even though I can trace the point in time when it >>> changed to when I changed the synchronization settings (and then >>> changed back to No Synchronization), that wouldn't explain why it's >>> happening on this PC, which had a new install of OE. >>> >>> Neil
From: Ken on 1 Feb 2009 10:16 How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers? I think it has something to do with the news server you are using. If I look at microsoft.public.works.win news group via microsoft news server there is only four hundred eighteen (418) messages, where as, looking at the same news group via my ISP (dragonbbs.com) news server there are twenty seven thousand six hundred forty one (27641) messages available to select. On dragonbbs server the messages date from today back as far as June 2003. Ken "Neil" <nrgins(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:cVwgl.19924$ZP4.7479(a)nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com... | I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded | headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them. | | Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my | subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong? | How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers? | | Thanks! | |
From: Gerry on 1 Feb 2009 10:42 Ron "I see that you are not using a version of OE that has automatic compaction. Earlier versions did have automatic compaction" The generally accepted understanding of automatic compaction is that the user is prompted to compact after closing Outlook Express 100 times. My version of Outlook Express does this if I allow the count to reach 100. It is rare for me to allow this to happen as I manually compact before the count reachs 100. Manual compaction of all folders resets the count to zero. Manual compaction of some folders does not reset the count. Please explain the basis of your assertion that I am not using a version that has automatic compaction? Are you confusing automatic compaction with compacting messages in the background? The former replaced the latter several years ago! They are not the same. Automatic compaction incorporates the placement of a backup copy in the recycle bin before each dbx files is compacted. This feature was not present within compacting messages in the background! Similarly the optional delete function, which could be used with compacting messages in the background, is no longer available for use with automatic compaction. The user has the option with automatic compaction to defer the process. Whilst deferral can be on every closure it is only a deferral as the invitation to compact will occur on every closure until the invitation is accepted. There was no invitation to compact feature with compacting messages in the background. You either configured Outlook Express to use compacting messages in the background or you chose not to use the feature. "The compaction message will not appear until the 101st close of OE." I was disagreeing with this statement! You now seem to be qualifying the statement without admitting that this is what you are doing! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ron Sommer wrote: > I see that you are not using a version of OE that has automatic > compaction. Earlier versions did have automatic compaction and the > message store could become corrupted when the computer was shutdown > when OE was compacting. The compaction message was added so that the > compaction would not occur unless the user clicks OK. > > I do not see anywhere in my post that says that OE is the only > program that increases the Compact Check Count. I just commented on > the way that OE used the Compact Check Count. > > Yes, some people have received the Compact message without even using > OE or opening OE >100 times. This still causes the compaction > message that must be clicked for the compaction to occur and does not > cause an automatic compaction. > > "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:uJ155zBhJHA.3708(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Ron >> >> You're splitting hairs and wrong in the cases that Bruce has picked >> up on. -- >> >> >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Ron Sommer wrote: >>> When OE opens, it checks the count. If the count is 100, the >>> compaction message will appear when you close OE. >>> There is no automatic compaction, because the user has to ok the >>> compaction. The count changes on the opening of OE. >>> The compaction message will not appear until the 101st close of OE. >>> >>> "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:OT0GPkAhJHA.5408(a)TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Neil >>>> >>>> On closing Outlook Express 100 times. On some systems something >>>> changes the counter in the Registry when it is not intended so >>>> automatic compacting can be triggered quite a bit earlier. The >>>> counter is meant to increment by one on closure but something else >>>> cause the counter to increment at other times. Bruce Hagen writes >>>> about this regularly. It doesn't happen here. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gerry >>>> ~~~~ >>>> FCA >>>> Stourport, England >>>> Enquire, plan and execute >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> Neil wrote: >>>>> "Gerry" <gerry(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:OOOV3e4gJHA.2384(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, what's the point of having a "Delete news messages X days >>>>>>>> after being downloaded" if OE is just going to delete them >>>>>>>> anyway, regardless of the setting. Again, doesn't make sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Makes perfect sense if someone only wants to keep a weeks worth >>>>>>> of posts in his cache instead of a much larger number that the >>>>>>> server might support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your comment is correct . It was logical. It was also part of one >>>>>> of the most disastrous and problematic features of Outlook >>>>>> Express. Compacting. Checking this feature was blamed for >>>>>> countless losses of messages. Automatic compacting was abandoned >>>>>> by users in favour of manual compacting Offline. The changes >>>>>> made to automatic compacting not so long ago improved the >>>>>> situation but did not totally resolve the problem. Manual >>>>>> compacting before automatic compacting is triggered remains the >>>>>> safest option. The option to "Delete news messages X days after >>>>>> being downloaded" should have been removed when the other >>>>>> changes were made. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When does automatic compacting take place?
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 1 Feb 2009 12:01
Please don't feed the troll, Gerry...especially /that/ troll. Gerry wrote: > I do not know. Leading lights who tried to persuade the Team to go in > the right direction were Tom Koch and Steve Cochran amongst others. > > Tom Koch > http://www.insideoe.com/resources/communities.htm > > Steve Cochran > http://www.oehelp.com/Default.aspx > > > D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Who were the people on the Outlook Express Development Team? >> >>>> As stated many times in this newsgroup, the OE development team has >>>> been disbanded, so their will be no new adjustments/fixes/upgrades >>>> to this application, except for the occasional security update. |