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From: John Fields on 29 Mar 2006 16:41 On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:52:05 -0500, Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris(a)erols.com> wrote: >There are at least two types of fetal cells. One is simply a tumer builder, >it grows without bounds, and begs the body for blood supply. The other is >a colonizing cell. It prepares a site for colonization. These are the >really dangerous fellas. It is also the area where the vaccines are showing >the most promise. --- Can you post some links, please? Cancer fascinates me. An invader exploiting its host to the point where its host can no longer sustain itself and stay alive seems to me to be the ultimate stupidity. Here you've gone to all the trouble of figuring out what you have to do to make the host think that you're part of "own ship", and then you suck own ship dry, guaranteeing your own demise. Maybe that's part of the plan. Kill the host and commit suicide if the host fights, otherwise wait... -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Frank Bemelman on 29 Mar 2006 17:13 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht news:6hul22lognujl7iq4hcj4amv0dn29r456m(a)4ax.com... > > Cancer fascinates me. > > An invader exploiting its host to the point where its host can no > longer sustain itself and stay alive seems to me to be the ultimate > stupidity. > > Here you've gone to all the trouble of figuring out what you have to > do to make the host think that you're part of "own ship", and then > you suck own ship dry, guaranteeing your own demise. > > Maybe that's part of the plan. > > Kill the host and commit suicide if the host fights, otherwise > wait... My simplified view is not about invaders with plans, but just a genetic defect that turns a normal cell into a fast dividing one. Like hair. Hair is not a problem, it grows out of your body and you can cut it off, if you like. -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
From: Genome on 29 Mar 2006 17:15 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:o52k22lcndoulfp1m5orf7jgc3ttau2j1r(a)4ax.com... > > Just got back from the hospital where my youngest son (33 years old) > is being treated for colon cancer that has spread to lungs and liver > :-( > > ...Jim Thompson > -- I don't do prayers or stuff but, Best of whatever there is for Son. DNA
From: Jim Thompson on 29 Mar 2006 17:28 On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:15:36 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:o52k22lcndoulfp1m5orf7jgc3ttau2j1r(a)4ax.com... >> >> Just got back from the hospital where my youngest son (33 years old) >> is being treated for colon cancer that has spread to lungs and liver >> :-( >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> -- > >I don't do prayers or stuff but, > >Best of whatever there is for Son. > >DNA > Thanks! (I'm the same way) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 29 Mar 2006 19:38
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:11:59 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:06:23 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan ><jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:36:22 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>><snip> >>> >>>My son is presently taking oxycodone and something else with a similar >>>name that I didn't fully catch. >> >>Possibly hydrocodone. >> >>Watch out for versions of the two which include tylenol, since you >>mentioned a liver issue here. Tylenol is processed through four >>pathways in the liver. The primary pathway is relatively safe but is >>overwhelmed by about 1 gram spread out over a day in a healthy adult. >>The three alternate pathways are destructive to the liver and they are >>increasingly used when the primary pathway is exhausted. Hospitals >>and literally awash with tylenol because it lacks some complications >>they are worried about with other drugs they often use. But they will >>use it without telling you -- for example, to make a child groggy >>before an operation they will add the verset (itself, something that >>demolishes short term memory) to a pink elixir of tylenol. You won't >>be told about the tylenol, just the verset, though. So unless you >>ask, you won't know. >> >>In any case, when I last investigated these details some years ago, I >>discovered that there were three research centers which were then >>currently studying tylenol's operation on humans. I called up and >>spoke at length with the principal investigators at two of these >>places (one in Texas, another near Wash DC I think.) Neither lead >>investigator I spoke with felt comfortable with the 4 grams a day that >>is the official level claimed as safe. Both of them told me that the >>primary pathway was exhausted at levels of around 1/4th of that -- at >>a gram. And they didn't equivocate on that point -- they were dead >>clear about it. (By the way, I didn't tell one about the conversation >>I'd had with the other, so the information about the amounts came from >>both of them independently -- a fact which I took to confirm that they >>were speaking from the research and not from my encouraging them to >>say some number.) >> >>I believe that these two pain relievers (which I don't like because >>they make me very nauseated -- a cure worse than the ill) are often >>packaged with substantial quantities of tylenol. Keep track of the >>amounts. Individual tolerances, I'm sure, vary. No one's liver is >>the same as another. But under the circumstances you mention, and >>given the general discussions I've had in the past, I'd want to keep >>the daily intake _well_ under a gram -- perhaps on the order of 250mg >>or less. Look at what is being taken in along with the oxycodone or >>hydrocodone and, if possible, see about getting a purer form rather >>than an adulterated one. They do exist. They just don't like handing >>them out because of their illicit market value. >> >>Jon > >I'll check on that. Didn't occur to me to ask about Tylenol. I >should have. I personally react to Tylenol as if it were a >hallucinogen, so it's on my own allergy list. I'd be interested in what you find out, if you don't mind saying it here and can afford the distraction. Jon |