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From: Joerg on 31 Mar 2006 15:07 Hello Frank, > >>Well, if you don't believe me ask a few docs. My wife and I are visiting >>lots of folks in convalescent homes. Some will never go home, some are >>there to recover from a huge problem. There are some who have resigned, >>who do not take therapy serious, just hang there and worry all day. Then >>there are others who are eager to leave, they exercise with gusto and >>spread around a positive attitude. For some reasons it's those folks who >>typically make it home in under a month. > > > Yes, but we are not talking about cancer patients here, are we. > Breast cancer (lots), skin cancer, other cancers, bad cases of heart failure, broken hips in old age, and so on. It runs the gamut. > >>Even the Romans knew that body and state of mind go together: "Mens sana >>in corpore sano". > > I don't deny that relationship, but it isn't the universal answer > for everything. > It isn't. But without a positive attitude it is harder to recover from anything. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
From: Joseph2k on 31 Mar 2006 16:16 Frank Bemelman wrote: > "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> schreef in > bericht news:fr7p22h8gctajer3ug01okovftl4ishca5(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:00:14 GMT, Joerg >> <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote: >> >> >Hello Frank, >> > >> >>> >> >>>At first it appeared he gave up, but now he's come out fighting. I >> >>>think he'll survive this. >> >> >> >> IMO, the chance of survival has very little to do with 'fighting'. >> > >> > >> >Believe me, it sure does have a lot to do with it. We work in a ministry >> >which means we see a lot of folks in hospitals or drive them to their >> >chemo sessions, and usually it's the really serious cases. A positive >> >attitude can be the ticket to health. >> > >> > >> >> Also, when a patient refuses further treatment like chemo etc, it >> >> is not a sign of weakness. >> >> >> > >> >True. >> > >> >Regards, Joerg >> > >> >http://www.analogconsultants.com >> >> People who've never been out of Europe don't understand "spirit" or >> "moxie" or "chutzpah" or whatever you call it ;-) > > What I wanted to say - between the lines - I am not in favour of > all that positive "You can do it" talk. Save the chutzpah for the > occasion where you break both kneecaps and have to learn to walk > again. Of cource, I'm no doctor, and I don't know any details, but > I don't see much point in encouraging to 'fight' a battle that is > practically impossible to win. It only gives them the idea that > they failed (again) slipping away at the end of their struggle. > Perhaps (perhaps!) it's more pleasant to talk about daily stuff, > all the good memories, rather than mindless pep talk alone. > Absolutely. Laughter and other forms of happiness are powerful medicine. May not do much to cure this, but can make a huge difference in perception. -- JosephKK Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens. --Schiller
From: David DiGiacomo on 31 Mar 2006 16:57 In article <YBfXf.54359$F_3.36320(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, Joerg <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote: >Even the Romans knew that body and state of mind go together: "Mens sana >in corpore sano". Assuming there is a mind-body connection, how can you figure out what is cause and what is effect? Maybe the people who have a positive attitude can somehow sense that they are going to recover, or maybe they just feel better because of something in the physical state of their bodies. The others may somehow know that they are too sick, or they may just feel worse.
From: Frank Bemelman on 31 Mar 2006 17:05 "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht news:i_fXf.54367$F_3.17655(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > Hello Frank, > > > > >>Well, if you don't believe me ask a few docs. My wife and I are visiting > >>lots of folks in convalescent homes. Some will never go home, some are > >>there to recover from a huge problem. There are some who have resigned, > >>who do not take therapy serious, just hang there and worry all day. Then > >>there are others who are eager to leave, they exercise with gusto and > >>spread around a positive attitude. For some reasons it's those folks who > >>typically make it home in under a month. > > > > > > Yes, but we are not talking about cancer patients here, are we. > > > > Breast cancer (lots), skin cancer, other cancers, bad cases of heart > failure, broken hips in old age, and so on. It runs the gamut. Okay, but those cancers are a *LOT* less agressive than liver or lung cancer. Here you mention cancers that already have a 80+ or better chance of surviving. So I am telling you again, the chance of surviving cancer has very little to do with 'fighting'. You just proved it yourself. Now be a good man and stop yelling and telling that folks with (liver/lung etc) cancer need to fight their deseases. Nobody is helped with false hope and shameless lies. Try to understand that. -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email) > > > > >>Even the Romans knew that body and state of mind go together: "Mens sana > >>in corpore sano". > > > > I don't deny that relationship, but it isn't the universal answer > > for everything. > > > > It isn't. But without a positive attitude it is harder to recover from > anything. > > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.com
From: osr on 31 Mar 2006 17:33
My prayers are with you and your family, Watch the spouse too. If they are a true team, she'll need just as much help as he does Make sure she has a outside life away from the hospital, I know thats difficult, especially to pry her away from his bedside, but she'll need exercise of all types, mental, physical and social. Dont let her get so involved that she has no life. After watching my mom nearly come completely apart when dad passed after 7 years in the nursing home from a paralytic stroke after a bypass, it must be done. Mom insisted on being at that nursing home 14 out of 24, 7-365 volunteering at feeding 3 meals a day, and not just with dad. Plus she handled ALL the medicade paperwork and drove 30 miles a few times a month to battle it out with the social workers and insurance. Mom considered herself "ON CALL" at all times. resulting in zero personality and much anger whenever a aide or nurse made even the simplist mistake. More then once I was down there and heard on the PA, " Mrs Roberts has left the building". I admire her strength, and helped her when I could, but what happened next was very ,very, dark. Mom suddenly had no where to go one day after hospice, and crashed, physically and mentally. It took me a year to get her to even travel across town or discuss the weather.. All she'd talk about was the struggle with dad, which turned off family and friends fast. Wouldnt go to church, the mall or a movie,or see friends,or her physician. I hate to be the ghost of Xmas past, but DON'T loose #2 (or 3 or 4) in the process of helping #1. Prevent possible severe depression and possible martyrdom. That goes for you too. Get somebody ouside your close support system to periodically get you out of there,check what your doing and dont close the home lab down. Keep posting here. She's coming around now, at almost 2 years, but it was scarry. best wishes for a hopeful outcome. Steve Roberts |