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From: Jim Thompson on 31 Mar 2006 09:57 On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:57:03 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht >news:O20Xf.61834$Jd.18116(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... >> Hello Frank, >> >> >> >> >>At first it appeared he gave up, but now he's come out fighting. I >> >>think he'll survive this. >> > >> > IMO, the chance of survival has very little to do with 'fighting'. >> >> >> Believe me, it sure does have a lot to do with it. We work in a ministry >> which means we see a lot of folks in hospitals or drive them to their >> chemo sessions, and usually it's the really serious cases. A positive >> attitude can be the ticket to health. > >No, I don't believe you. What about patients that are not so positive and >miraciously recover? Any doctor can give examples of that. I am just >reluctant >to give them the "You can do it" mantra for 24 hours a day. Simply being >there >to offer help and to be pleasant company, provide a cushion for their mood >swings, sharing thoughts, seem the best thing can do under such >circumstances. We ARE doing the latter, there is no rah, rah, rah stuff. My remark was based on my noticing a sudden change in his attitude... "I can handle this". ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Joerg on 31 Mar 2006 13:06 Hello Frank, > > No, I don't believe you. What about patients that are not so positive and > miraciously recover? Any doctor can give examples of that. I am just > reluctant > to give them the "You can do it" mantra for 24 hours a day. Simply being > there > to offer help and to be pleasant company, provide a cushion for their mood > swings, sharing thoughts, seem the best thing can do under such > circumstances. > You need both. Being there is, of course, priority number one. In Jim's son's case there seems to be an abundance of such care which is great. But fighting is the other part of the game. A close relative made it against all the odds, given that she had a 5% "statistical" chance of surviving the first six months. This number wasn't just based on some phony study with 10 patients or so but on many years of underwriter's data, thousands of cases. Her first word after that bomb shell from the doctor was "I am going to fight this". We all researched the case up and down the web, found specialists, treatments whether covered by insurance or not. Well, it's been five years now and she is healthy. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
From: Frank Bemelman on 31 Mar 2006 14:31 "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht news:6deXf.54326$F_3.39222(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > But fighting is the other part of the game. A close relative made it > against all the odds, given that she had a 5% "statistical" chance of > surviving the first six months. This number wasn't just based on some > phony study with 10 patients or so but on many years of underwriter's > data, thousands of cases. Her first word after that bomb shell from the > doctor was "I am going to fight this". We all researched the case up and > down the web, found specialists, treatments whether covered by insurance > or not. Well, it's been five years now and she is healthy. That is fantastic for her, that the magic words "I am going to fight this" worked. Bit of a shame it doesn't seem to work for everyone. And strange that folks who don't "fight" so strong can also magically recover. I would think these things just happen, all in agreement with the 5% statistic chances etc. I have no other explanation for it. The true explanation is perhaps some genetic advantage which gives you better results of various treatments. Or is it that I have another definition of "fighting", in this context. I assumed we referred to will power etc here. IMO it's an insult to make patients believe this is an important factor, almost turning it into a cheap contest, where a looser is a true looser. Like I said earlier, a good deal of pep talk is nice for someone with two broken knees, to encourage the person to learn to walk again. But when chances are so bleak, the choice to fight should be made by the patient alone and not being pushed by family and relatives. It is not up to others to demand miracles, as this only adds to the patients grief, a feeling that he has dissapointed his loved ones by not being able to perform as requested. In a way, the loved ones have a battle to fight here as well, to show respect rather than making a patient believing it is largely a matter of will power and "fighting". -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
From: Joerg on 31 Mar 2006 14:41 Hello Frank, > > That is fantastic for her, that the magic words "I am going to fight > this" worked. Bit of a shame it doesn't seem to work for everyone. > And strange that folks who don't "fight" so strong can also magically > recover. > > I would think these things just happen, all in agreement with the > 5% statistic chances etc. I have no other explanation for it. The > true explanation is perhaps some genetic advantage which gives you > better results of various treatments. > Well, if you don't believe me ask a few docs. My wife and I are visiting lots of folks in convalescent homes. Some will never go home, some are there to recover from a huge problem. There are some who have resigned, who do not take therapy serious, just hang there and worry all day. Then there are others who are eager to leave, they exercise with gusto and spread around a positive attitude. For some reasons it's those folks who typically make it home in under a month. Even the Romans knew that body and state of mind go together: "Mens sana in corpore sano". Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
From: Frank Bemelman on 31 Mar 2006 14:58
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht news:YBfXf.54359$F_3.36320(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > Well, if you don't believe me ask a few docs. My wife and I are visiting > lots of folks in convalescent homes. Some will never go home, some are > there to recover from a huge problem. There are some who have resigned, > who do not take therapy serious, just hang there and worry all day. Then > there are others who are eager to leave, they exercise with gusto and > spread around a positive attitude. For some reasons it's those folks who > typically make it home in under a month. Yes, but we are not talking about cancer patients here, are we. > Even the Romans knew that body and state of mind go together: "Mens sana > in corpore sano". I don't deny that relationship, but it isn't the universal answer for everything. -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email) |