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From: Nico Coesel on 1 Apr 2006 15:19 Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >They put a STENT in Duane's colon and laser-ablated the tumor there. > >So they haven't cut into him yet. > >They're installing a "port" in his chest this morning for ease of >doing the chemo. > >The doctors seem very upbeat, but I saw the pictures... doesn't look >good to me :-( It ain't over until its over! Curing cancer is a long process and its not a pleasant one, but a 33 year old person should have a decent chance. Good luck to you and your son.
From: John Fields on 1 Apr 2006 16:19 On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:31:00 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht >news:5n9t229ealrkbdu67f339svu1nku18ee14(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:31:43 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" >> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >> >> >"Fred Bloggs" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht >> >news:442E8462.8090707(a)nospam.com... >> >> If you are specifically talking about the paradigm of "fighting" then >> >> you have no argument from me, but when you move to a higher plane of >> >> patient *belief* , you are in the domain of the so-called *placebo >> >> effect* and there is VERY strong rock solid scientific evidence that we >> >> do have the ability to self-heal whatever afflicts us- short of >> >> something really dramatic like re-growing an amputated limb or >> >> regenerating nonregenerative cell tissue. I contend that any cancer >> >> regardless of its severity can be cured this way, but the patient has >to >> >> have developed pronounced powers of spirituality to achieve it- or has >> >> befriended a living saint. >> > >> >But how large is that group? They seem to dissappear in the noise >> >floor... >> >> --- >> Perhaps it would be much larger if its members hadn't been convinced >> that their situation was hopeless and allowed themselves to die >> without even _trying_ to fight. >> -- > >2 * 0 = 0. --- Perhaps I didn't make my point strongly enough. What I was referring to, gently, was that if it wasn't for people like you, who seem to be so firmly convinced that resistance is futile once cancer has taken hold that they infect others with that belief, there might a lot more survivors walking around. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Frank Bemelman on 1 Apr 2006 16:54 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht news:5kqt22luu1koj45kcqnrggdfhjou13rpsi(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:31:00 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" > <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht > >news:5n9t229ealrkbdu67f339svu1nku18ee14(a)4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:31:43 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" > >> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > >> > >> >"Fred Bloggs" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht > >> >news:442E8462.8090707(a)nospam.com... > >> >> If you are specifically talking about the paradigm of "fighting" then > >> >> you have no argument from me, but when you move to a higher plane of > >> >> patient *belief* , you are in the domain of the so-called *placebo > >> >> effect* and there is VERY strong rock solid scientific evidence that we > >> >> do have the ability to self-heal whatever afflicts us- short of > >> >> something really dramatic like re-growing an amputated limb or > >> >> regenerating nonregenerative cell tissue. I contend that any cancer > >> >> regardless of its severity can be cured this way, but the patient has > >to > >> >> have developed pronounced powers of spirituality to achieve it- or has > >> >> befriended a living saint. > >> > > >> >But how large is that group? They seem to dissappear in the noise > >> >floor... > >> > >> --- > >> Perhaps it would be much larger if its members hadn't been convinced > >> that their situation was hopeless and allowed themselves to die > >> without even _trying_ to fight. > >> -- > > > >2 * 0 = 0. > > --- > Perhaps I didn't make my point strongly enough. > > What I was referring to, gently, was that if it wasn't for people > like you, who seem to be so firmly convinced that resistance is > futile once cancer has taken hold that they infect others with that > belief, there might a lot more survivors walking around. There are plenty that "fight" their asses off, and die. If the choice to "fight" is their own, that is perfectly all right. But if they are only fighting because they were told to do so, it leaves them with the guilt of not performing well enough. They might feel that they have dissapointed their loved ones, by not having "fought" hard enough. If there is a statistic figure that indicates a good chance of recovering (like walking again after broken knee caps) then by all means tell a patient to "fight" for his or her recovery. But if the chances are extremely grim, don't ask for the impossible. Let them decide for themselves if they want to fight or not. They are not helped with our well meanted advice. For instance, if there was any reason for it, I would ask you to climb on the roof of your house, but never to climb the Himalaya. Out of respect, I will not ask you to do something you're clearly not fitted for. Also, if you told me that you intend to climb the roof of your house, I'd say "You can do it". If you told me that you intend to climb the Himalaya, I'd say "Yeah, nice, let's go fishing instead.". Again, out of respect. I don't enjoy seeing people fall flat on their face, well, not often anyway. What do you think? ;) -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
From: John Fields on 1 Apr 2006 18:18 On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:54:34 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht >news:5kqt22luu1koj45kcqnrggdfhjou13rpsi(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:31:00 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" >> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >> >> >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht >> >news:5n9t229ealrkbdu67f339svu1nku18ee14(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:31:43 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" >> >> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Fred Bloggs" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht >> >> >news:442E8462.8090707(a)nospam.com... >> >> >> If you are specifically talking about the paradigm of "fighting" >then >> >> >> you have no argument from me, but when you move to a higher plane of >> >> >> patient *belief* , you are in the domain of the so-called *placebo >> >> >> effect* and there is VERY strong rock solid scientific evidence that >we >> >> >> do have the ability to self-heal whatever afflicts us- short of >> >> >> something really dramatic like re-growing an amputated limb or >> >> >> regenerating nonregenerative cell tissue. I contend that any cancer >> >> >> regardless of its severity can be cured this way, but the patient >has >> >to >> >> >> have developed pronounced powers of spirituality to achieve it- or >has >> >> >> befriended a living saint. >> >> > >> >> >But how large is that group? They seem to dissappear in the noise >> >> >floor... >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Perhaps it would be much larger if its members hadn't been convinced >> >> that their situation was hopeless and allowed themselves to die >> >> without even _trying_ to fight. >> >> -- >> > >> >2 * 0 = 0. >> >> --- >> Perhaps I didn't make my point strongly enough. >> >> What I was referring to, gently, was that if it wasn't for people >> like you, who seem to be so firmly convinced that resistance is >> futile once cancer has taken hold that they infect others with that >> belief, there might a lot more survivors walking around. > >There are plenty that "fight" their asses off, and die. If the >choice to "fight" is their own, that is perfectly all right. >But if they are only fighting because they were told to do so, >it leaves them with the guilt of not performing well enough. >They might feel that they have dissapointed their loved ones, >by not having "fought" hard enough. > >If there is a statistic figure that indicates a good chance of >recovering (like walking again after broken knee caps) then by >all means tell a patient to "fight" for his or her recovery. > >But if the chances are extremely grim, don't ask for the >impossible. Let them decide for themselves if they want to >fight or not. They are not helped with our well meanted >advice. > >For instance, if there was any reason for it, I would ask you >to climb on the roof of your house, but never to climb the Himalaya. >Out of respect, I will not ask you to do something you're clearly >not fitted for. --- If climbing the Himalayas was something that I'd have to do to save my life and you knew that, and refused to tell me because you thought I wasn't "fitted for" it, then that doesn't sound like respect to me, it smacks of you taking it upon yourself to make decisions which should be mine to make. --- >Also, if you told me that you intend to climb the roof of your >house, I'd say "You can do it". If you told me that you intend >to climb the Himalaya, I'd say "Yeah, nice, let's go fishing >instead.". Again, out of respect. I don't enjoy seeing people >fall flat on their face, well, not often anyway. > >What do you think? --- I think you don't understand respect. If I told you I was going to climb the world's tallest mountain and you pooh-poohed that by suggesting that we go fishing instead of shaking my hand and saying "Go for it", I'd think you were telling me that my dream was stupid and saying your idea was better than mine because yours was safer. Basically, what you seem to be saying is that no sperm should ever be asked to make the suicidal journey to the egg, no Salmon should ever make the suicidal journey to spawn, and we should never have tried to make the journey to the moon. I disagree. The history of the human race is littered with the carcasses of those who tried and lost as well as those of those who tried and won. Using your philosophy of caution, no one would ever have tried anything dangerous at all and, therefore, we wouldn't be having this discussion. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Fred Bloggs on 1 Apr 2006 19:21
You can always tell them to try to survive until a cure is found, there are quite a few very promising therapies and developments in the pipeline: Jefferson Scientists Reveal New Mechanism That Causes Spread of Colorectal Cancer http://www.jeffersonhospital.org/news/2006/article11808.html Great strides in enzyme inhibitor development have been made as a result of AIDS drug treatment development. |