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From: Jim Thompson on 30 Mar 2006 22:19 On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:00:14 GMT, Joerg <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote: >Hello Frank, > >>> >>>At first it appeared he gave up, but now he's come out fighting. I >>>think he'll survive this. >> >> IMO, the chance of survival has very little to do with 'fighting'. > > >Believe me, it sure does have a lot to do with it. We work in a ministry >which means we see a lot of folks in hospitals or drive them to their >chemo sessions, and usually it's the really serious cases. A positive >attitude can be the ticket to health. > > >> Also, when a patient refuses further treatment like chemo etc, it >> is not a sign of weakness. >> > >True. > >Regards, Joerg > >http://www.analogconsultants.com People who've never been out of Europe don't understand "spirit" or "moxie" or "chutzpah" or whatever you call it ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Frank Bemelman on 31 Mar 2006 02:47 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> schreef in bericht news:fr7p22h8gctajer3ug01okovftl4ishca5(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:00:14 GMT, Joerg > <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote: > > >Hello Frank, > > > >>> > >>>At first it appeared he gave up, but now he's come out fighting. I > >>>think he'll survive this. > >> > >> IMO, the chance of survival has very little to do with 'fighting'. > > > > > >Believe me, it sure does have a lot to do with it. We work in a ministry > >which means we see a lot of folks in hospitals or drive them to their > >chemo sessions, and usually it's the really serious cases. A positive > >attitude can be the ticket to health. > > > > > >> Also, when a patient refuses further treatment like chemo etc, it > >> is not a sign of weakness. > >> > > > >True. > > > >Regards, Joerg > > > >http://www.analogconsultants.com > > People who've never been out of Europe don't understand "spirit" or > "moxie" or "chutzpah" or whatever you call it ;-) What I wanted to say - between the lines - I am not in favour of all that positive "You can do it" talk. Save the chutzpah for the occasion where you break both kneecaps and have to learn to walk again. Of cource, I'm no doctor, and I don't know any details, but I don't see much point in encouraging to 'fight' a battle that is practically impossible to win. It only gives them the idea that they failed (again) slipping away at the end of their struggle. Perhaps (perhaps!) it's more pleasant to talk about daily stuff, all the good memories, rather than mindless pep talk alone. -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
From: Frank Bemelman on 31 Mar 2006 02:57 "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht news:O20Xf.61834$Jd.18116(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > Hello Frank, > > >> > >>At first it appeared he gave up, but now he's come out fighting. I > >>think he'll survive this. > > > > IMO, the chance of survival has very little to do with 'fighting'. > > > Believe me, it sure does have a lot to do with it. We work in a ministry > which means we see a lot of folks in hospitals or drive them to their > chemo sessions, and usually it's the really serious cases. A positive > attitude can be the ticket to health. No, I don't believe you. What about patients that are not so positive and miraciously recover? Any doctor can give examples of that. I am just reluctant to give them the "You can do it" mantra for 24 hours a day. Simply being there to offer help and to be pleasant company, provide a cushion for their mood swings, sharing thoughts, seem the best thing can do under such circumstances. -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
From: Robert on 31 Mar 2006 02:56 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:o52k22lcndoulfp1m5orf7jgc3ttau2j1r(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:01:03 -0600, John Fields > <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > [snip] >>> >>>Result: 3rd harmonic was at -58dB >> >>--- >>And the circuit file is where??? > > I'll post it in a few minutes. > > Just got back from the hospital where my youngest son (33 years old) > is being treated for colon cancer that has spread to lungs and liver > :-( > > ...Jim Thompson Sorry to hear it Jim. Just lost my Mother last week. But somehow that seems more "natural" than kids having problems like that. Robert
From: Fred Bloggs on 31 Mar 2006 08:32
Frank Bemelman wrote: > What I wanted to say - between the lines - I am not in favour of > all that positive "You can do it" talk. Save the chutzpah for the > occasion where you break both kneecaps and have to learn to walk > again. Of cource, I'm no doctor, and I don't know any details, but > I don't see much point in encouraging to 'fight' a battle that is > practically impossible to win. It only gives them the idea that > they failed (again) slipping away at the end of their struggle. > Perhaps (perhaps!) it's more pleasant to talk about daily stuff, > all the good memories, rather than mindless pep talk alone. > All of the data is not yet in until you undergo therapy. The chemo treatment may make for immediate improvement in the tumor situation, in which case you want to stick with it. If the treatment is slow going and not very effective in reducing the tumors then there may other factors you would want to consider. If quality of life is important then several years of therapy and additional life that turns you into an abomination constantly feeling ill with reduced mental faculties is not worth it to some people. The main thing is to exhaust the reasonable possibilities for effective treatment and, if it comes down to it, make a reasonable assessment of the threshold for declaring exhaustion. An acquaintance of mine recently died of this exact same cancer. He was in total denial right up to going into his final morphine delirium and death, it was pitiful. |