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From: Peter on 24 Jan 2010 12:08 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:cdqol5dtcbrblq4thus7k6pl807gn11at2(a)4ax.com... > > The way this falls in the thread, it seems as if you are saying that > California is not part of the United States. Yes, I know that's not > what you mean, but there *are* people who think that parts of > California are part of some other planet. > Having had business deals out there, there are times when I had that distinct impression. Especially true for those based in LaLa Land. -- Peter
From: C J Campbell on 24 Jan 2010 20:25 On 2010-01-23 14:46:44 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>> Savageduck >>> >>>>> Yeeeees, but all of this is still hypothetical, and there is still no >>>>> proof of intent to smuggle a weapon into Canada and possess it >>>>> illegally. >>>> >>>> They don't need to do that. >>>> You and your unlicensed firearm are in Canada. That is illegal. >>> >>> Technically no, it is not in Canada. People and goods are not in >>> Canada until they clear immigration and customs. >> >> Technically they are in Canada. > > Not according to the law. Airports set aside areas that are legally > outside of the host country. Myth. > >> An illegal immigrant or smuggled item >> is in Canada > > Not legally. But they are still inside the host country and subject to its laws. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor
From: Ray Fischer on 25 Jan 2010 00:18 C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>> Savageduck >>>> >>>>>> Yeeeees, but all of this is still hypothetical, and there is still no >>>>>> proof of intent to smuggle a weapon into Canada and possess it >>>>>> illegally. >>>>> >>>>> They don't need to do that. >>>>> You and your unlicensed firearm are in Canada. That is illegal. >>>> >>>> Technically no, it is not in Canada. People and goods are not in >>>> Canada until they clear immigration and customs. >>> >>> Technically they are in Canada. >> >> Not according to the law. Airports set aside areas that are legally >> outside of the host country. > >Myth. Nope. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: C J Campbell on 25 Jan 2010 03:03 On 2010-01-24 21:18:54 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>>> Savageduck >>>>> >>>>>>> Yeeeees, but all of this is still hypothetical, and there is still no >>>>>>> proof of intent to smuggle a weapon into Canada and possess it >>>>>>> illegally. >>>>>> >>>>>> They don't need to do that. >>>>>> You and your unlicensed firearm are in Canada. That is illegal. >>>>> >>>>> Technically no, it is not in Canada. People and goods are not in >>>>> Canada until they clear immigration and customs. >>>> >>>> Technically they are in Canada. >>> >>> Not according to the law. Airports set aside areas that are legally >>> outside of the host country. >> >> Myth. > > Nope. I would like to see some evidence that what you say is true. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor
From: C J Campbell on 25 Jan 2010 03:43
On 2010-01-24 21:18:54 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>>> Savageduck >>>>> >>>>>>> Yeeeees, but all of this is still hypothetical, and there is still no >>>>>>> proof of intent to smuggle a weapon into Canada and possess it >>>>>>> illegally. >>>>>> >>>>>> They don't need to do that. >>>>>> You and your unlicensed firearm are in Canada. That is illegal. >>>>> >>>>> Technically no, it is not in Canada. People and goods are not in >>>>> Canada until they clear immigration and customs. >>>> >>>> Technically they are in Canada. >>> >>> Not according to the law. Airports set aside areas that are legally >>> outside of the host country. >> >> Myth. > > Nope. If you guys are thinking of the customs holding areas that are common in international airports, those areas are within the territorial limits of the host nation and subject to its laws. They are not legally "outside of the host country." They are simply holding areas where goods that have not cleared customs (and which may simply be in transit and never clear customs) are stored. But they are legally within the country. Commit a crime in there (a burglary, for example) and you will be arrested and prosecuted according to the laws of the host country. They don't need the permission of the UN to do it. These areas are simply for the convenience of the country using them. They still belong to the sovereign nation in whose territory they lie. Every country has to have places where people and property can wait until they are processed by customs and immigration. However, those places are still inside the country. Canada may not be too upset with you if you inadvertently bring a firearm into Canada as long as you declare it to the customs official, but if you started threatening or shooting people you would find very quickly that Canada considers even these areas to be its sovereign territory. I would not try using illegal drugs in those areas, either. The judge probably would not look kindly on your claim that you were not actually in Canada when you broke their laws. If you are thinking of the case of Merhan Karimi Nasseri, the man who has lived since 1988 at Charles De Gaulle airport in Paris, he was in France the entire time he stayed at the airport, not some extra-territorial area. He could not be deported because there was no place to deport him to -- his country had ceased to exist. He could not leave the airport because French authorities refused to grant him refugee status or a transit visa. So he sat in the airport. Other countries would have an immigration holding area for such people. These areas are still part of the country where they are located, however, as Charles De Gaulle Airport is part of France. Mr. Nasseri was in France, albeit illegally and restricted to the airport because no one knew what to do with him. In fact, Mr. Nasseri was issued the necessary papers in 1999 and has been free to travel anywhere he likes in Europe ever since. He had become so institutionalized at the airport, however, that he never left. He was hospitalized at the airport hospital in 2007 and currently lives in a homeless shelter in Paris. He never made it to England, which was his original destination. Mr. Nasseri insists that he is an English national, not Iranian as his papers state, so he has refused to sign the International Travel Card and French Residency Permit issued to him. Nevertheless, the position of all European governments is that these documents are valid whether he signs them or not. If you are thinking of the movie "The Terminal" starring Tom Hanks -- it is a movie filled with the typical Hollywood baloney. Hollywood has never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Real American airports are considered American territory. Even the United Nations building is part of the United States. If you burglarize it or try to blow it up (as some have attempted), you will be sought by American authorities and prosecuted according to American laws. This is true of every embassy and consular office in the US, too. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |