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From: Sam Wormley on 29 Dec 2009 20:01
On 12/29/09 12:08 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:20:39 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
>
>> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/28/09 9:27 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1) A real science society wouldn't get involved in politics. 2) It
>>>> isn't just socialism that drives this AGW fraud, it is also research
>>>> funding.
>>>
>>> Marvin--You have never made a scientific argument against global
>>> warming and the fact that it's being driven by an increase in CO2
>>> concentration and contributed to by human activity. Instead you just
>>> yell fraud and six months ago you were yelling something else.
>>>
>>> CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level increase, are all
>>> consistent with each other. Real impact is showing up in agriculture,
>>> ecosystems, weather patterns, shifting seasons and ice melting.
>>>
>>> The global data CLEARLY shows:
>>>
>>> Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2
>>> http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png
>>
>> <AGW speech>
>> A graph without source, stolen from where?</>
>
> It is on Wormly's own website. You saw it on the web, so it MUST be true.
>
> Really, though. The two highest data points are IPCC lies. Speculation at
> best.
>
> The rest of the data was taken from ice core data at one location. Mind
> you, data from a glacier, which comprises most of the 800,000 years of
> data is being compared to a single year measurement from the top of a
> live volcano in a tropical paradise, near the middle of the Pacific Ocean
> which has a HUGE amount of CO2 that makes our atmospheric CO2 look puny
> by comparison: 40,000 GtC in the ocean compared to 750 GtC in the
> atmosphere. It is as much an "apples to oranges" comparison as it gets.
>
> 1) Ice core data wouldn't preserve a rapid change in CO2 concentration,
> due to diffusion.
> 2) There is very little CO2 on top of glaciers, while there is LOTS being
> emitted by the oceans in the tropics.
> 3) It is a comparison of a high latitude to an equatorial latitude.
> Again, apples to oranges.
>
> And even so, his whole arguments are a tangle of invalid arguments and
> false premises. Post hoc fallacies, correlation proves causation
> fallacies, appeal to consequence fallacies... the man is a living example
> of irrational thought.
>

Marvin, you should start taking global climate change seriously.
Seriously!
From: Sam Wormley on 29 Dec 2009 20:05
On 12/29/09 12:47 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:

>
> It is why physics hasn't moved much since the 1950s.

My, my, the color of your strips is showing, Marvin!

Tremendous discovery in physics, astronomy and the sciences
since the 1950s!
From: Marvin the Martian on 30 Dec 2009 11:45
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:

> On 12/29/09 12:59 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
>
>
>> CO2 was always at about an average of 330 +/-40 ppmv over the last
>> 400000 years.
>>
>>
> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
> 15,000,000 years!

Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
advocates.

>> PRESS RELEASE SUMMARY OF ARTICLE:
>> Public release date: 8-Oct-2009
>> University of California - Los Angeles Contact: Stuart Wolpert
>> <mailto:swolp...(a)support.ucla.edu>swolp...(a)support.ucla.edu
>> 310-206-0511
>
>> Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago,
>> scientists report

From: Sam Wormley on 30 Dec 2009 14:43
On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
>> 15,000,000 years!
>
> Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
> advocates.
>

Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
year.

From: Sam Wormley on 30 Dec 2009 18:10
On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for
>>>> 15,000,000 years!
>>>
>>> Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW
>>> advocates.
>>>
>>
>> Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009,
>> carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration
>> of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per
>> year.
>
> Caused by what?
> Evidence your claim. Here.
>
> Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim.
> Where is it?
> And don't come up with Google now.
> I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to.

As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase
in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable
observable.

As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting
that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil
fuel burning) is a contributing factor.

Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously?


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