Physics Group Splinters Over Global Warming Review
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From: I M on 1 Jan 2010 15:30 On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:58:54 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Scientific Evidence >Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases > >http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm That is a good link, it clearly shows the temperature goes down as soon as the CO2 goes up. >http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/images/Forcings_Anthro.jpg Sam's better way to hide the decline, just stop at 2000. >http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/images/Forcings_Both.jpg Gee, I wonder why the observation plot drops below the models plot?
From: I M on 1 Jan 2010 16:14 On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/1/10 12:36 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > >> >> Until a climate writer begins a paper with >> "GreenHouse Gases are what cool the atmosphere", >> I will have no confidence in them knowing what >> they write about. > > Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat > so the earth doesn't cool so much. But you are not able to describe in your own words exactly how they do this and where the heat is stored, how much, for how long? GHGs do not "trap" heat as well as nitrogen, because nitrogen can only lose the heat in molecular collisions, while GHGs can't keep from losing it because they radiate LW Infra-Red. Isn't this clear enough for a ninth grader, and doesn't it suggest a different story is needed about what GHGs do and how they do it? I don't subscribe fully to how much thermal transfer takes place due to convection or latent heat as described by Bill Ward, but LWIR transfer in the atmosphere is very short range except for the 10 um window.
From: Sam Wormley on 1 Jan 2010 16:23 On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat >> so the earth doesn't cool so much. > > > But you are not able to describe in your own > words exactly how they do this and where the > heat is stored, how much, for how long? > Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self education concerning the greenhouse gas effect. Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0802/0802.4324v1.pdf
From: Claudius Denk on 1 Jan 2010 17:03 On Jan 1, 1:23 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/1/10 3:14 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > > > On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0600, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> > >> Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat > >> so the earth doesn't cool so much. > > > But you are not able to describe in your own > > words exactly how they do this and where the > > heat is stored, how much, for how long? > > Here are some resources so that you may do a bit of self > education concerning the greenhouse gas effect. > > Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases > > http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scien... > > The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm > > Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect > http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0802/0802.4324v1.pdf Sam, You have my deepest sympathy. I can't even imagine how frustrating it must be to be so sure you are right and so completely unable to say how or why.
From: Richard Henry on 1 Jan 2010 17:14
On Dec 31 2009, 2:16 pm, "I M @ good guy" <I...(a)good.guy> wrote: > > Only one way to convince me, real easy, > just give me a year warmer than 1998. 2005. 2007. Maybe 2009 - the numbers are not yet in. |