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From: Marvin the Martian on 10 Jan 2010 00:45 On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:27:36 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:04:36 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>On 1/9/10 9:28 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >> >> >>> The pressure at the surface is the weight of the gas above a unit area >>> per unit area. So, a 0.04 kPa CO2 pressure on earth means that the >>> mass of the gas is 0.04 kPa = 40 N/m^2 = (mass of gas per unit area) * >>> 9.8 m/ s^2 implies that (mass of gas per unit area) =~ 4 kg/m^2. >>> >>> While on Mars, it would be 1000 N/m^2 = (mass of gas per unit area) * >>> 3.7 m/s^2 implies that the mass of gas per unit area is 270 kg/m^2 >>> >>> >> Why are you being so stooopid, Marvin. The earth has H2O, O3, CH4 and >> N2O in addition to CO2. You really are being stooopid! > > > His statement was that Mars has more CO2 than > Earth, your snipping breaks the thread you should have read before you > snipped. > > But now, are you arguing that the other GHGs > are more important than CO2? > > You may be excommunicated by the AGW high > priest if you say such things. Nevertheless, Mars has almost 70 times the mass of CO2 per square meter than the Earth and Mars has a mean surface temperature of -46 C, with low temperatures down to -87 C. We don't experience a lot of global warming on Mars. Even Wormley has to admit now that CO2 is a trivial contributor to global warming, and he invokes the real greenhouse gas, Water Vapor. The real danger to Earth is that the same thing will happen to Earth as has happened to Mars (and, by the way, to the Earth in the past) and that the Earth will become a frozen water ball, so cold that the water vapor that keeps the earth warm will precipitate out and you'll lose the greenhouse effect.
From: I M on 10 Jan 2010 01:20 On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:45:03 -0600, Marvin the Martian <marvin(a)ontomars.org> wrote: >On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:27:36 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote: > >> On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:04:36 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On 1/9/10 9:28 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>> >>> >>>> The pressure at the surface is the weight of the gas above a unit area >>>> per unit area. So, a 0.04 kPa CO2 pressure on earth means that the >>>> mass of the gas is 0.04 kPa = 40 N/m^2 = (mass of gas per unit area) * >>>> 9.8 m/ s^2 implies that (mass of gas per unit area) =~ 4 kg/m^2. >>>> >>>> While on Mars, it would be 1000 N/m^2 = (mass of gas per unit area) * >>>> 3.7 m/s^2 implies that the mass of gas per unit area is 270 kg/m^2 >>>> >>>> >>> Why are you being so stooopid, Marvin. The earth has H2O, O3, CH4 and >>> N2O in addition to CO2. You really are being stooopid! >> >> >> His statement was that Mars has more CO2 than >> Earth, your snipping breaks the thread you should have read before you >> snipped. >> >> But now, are you arguing that the other GHGs >> are more important than CO2? >> >> You may be excommunicated by the AGW high >> priest if you say such things. > >Nevertheless, Mars has almost 70 times the mass of CO2 per square meter >than the Earth and Mars has a mean surface temperature of -46 C, with low >temperatures down to -87 C. We don't experience a lot of global warming >on Mars. Even Wormley has to admit now that CO2 is a trivial contributor >to global warming, and he invokes the real greenhouse gas, Water Vapor. > >The real danger to Earth is that the same thing will happen to Earth as >has happened to Mars (and, by the way, to the Earth in the past) and that >the Earth will become a frozen water ball, so cold that the water vapor >that keeps the earth warm will precipitate out and you'll lose the >greenhouse effect. Don't fall for the gossip and rumors, snowball Earth is a theory only propounded because evidence of ice was found closer to the equator at low elevation, which can be accounted for if the area was high mountain pass and it descended, like the area around the Petrified forest. None of the ice ages happened suddenly, they all started downhill slowly, even in steps, it is the warmup that happens suddenly. Variations in clouds and snow cover along with volcanos or super-volcanos might be capable of bringing on a gradual ice age, but it isn't very likely that the whole planet could freeze over, the tropics are too warm. While this is obviously a very long cold snap, it is only the 4th worse locally, it will thaw here by mid-week, I hope western Europe thaws soon, they may not have the gas storage and pipelines for a long freeze. I don't understand the AGW nuts, cold and snow would induce me to question a belief in Global Warming just as easy as a few years warmer than 1998 would cause me to re-look at the possibility that something is causing warming and maybe it is related to the atmospheric CO2 concentration.
From: Sam Wormley on 10 Jan 2010 10:32 On 1/9/10 11:45 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > > Nevertheless, Mars has almost 70 times the mass of CO2 per square meter > than the Earth and Mars has a mean surface temperature of -46 C, with low > temperatures down to -87 C. We don't experience a lot of global warming > on Mars. Even Wormley has to admit now that CO2 is a trivial contributor > to global warming, and he invokes the real greenhouse gas, Water Vapor. > Marvin, are you trying to be stooopid? The trouble is that you don't even have a clue as to why your reasoning makes no sense!
From: I M on 10 Jan 2010 18:57 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:32:36 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/9/10 11:45 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > >> >> Nevertheless, Mars has almost 70 times the mass of CO2 per square meter >> than the Earth and Mars has a mean surface temperature of -46 C, with low >> temperatures down to -87 C. We don't experience a lot of global warming >> on Mars. Even Wormley has to admit now that CO2 is a trivial contributor >> to global warming, and he invokes the real greenhouse gas, Water Vapor. >> > > Marvin, are you trying to be stooopid? The trouble is that you > don't even have a clue as to why your reasoning makes no sense! Is he wrong about the mass of the CO2 on Mars, or not?
From: Sam Wormley on 10 Jan 2010 20:56
On 1/10/10 5:57 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:32:36 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 1/9/10 11:45 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >> >>> >>> Nevertheless, Mars has almost 70 times the mass of CO2 per square meter >>> than the Earth and Mars has a mean surface temperature of -46 C, with low >>> temperatures down to -87 C. We don't experience a lot of global warming >>> on Mars. Even Wormley has to admit now that CO2 is a trivial contributor >>> to global warming, and he invokes the real greenhouse gas, Water Vapor. >>> >> >> Marvin, are you trying to be stooopid? The trouble is that you >> don't even have a clue as to why your reasoning makes no sense! > > > Is he wrong about the mass of the CO2 on Mars, or not? > Marvin implies implicitly in his comments that CO2 is the only green house gas operation on both planets, such that the can be compared directly. |