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From: Marvin the Martian on 30 Dec 2009 22:53 On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote: >> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high >>>>> for 15,000,000 years! >>>> >>>> Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW >>>> advocates. >>>> >>>> >>> Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009, >>> carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of >>> 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per year. >> >> Caused by what? >> Evidence your claim. Here. >> >> Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim. Where is it? >> And don't come up with Google now. >> I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to. > > As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase in > concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable observable. > > As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting that > human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil fuel > burning) is a contributing factor. > > Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously? A sane man, a rational man, would have discussed the correction to the CO2 data that shows that our recent CO2 levels is NOT unusual. Wormley, however, simply repeats the same sloped curve that the article attacked, completely ignoring the entire issue, and throws in some gratuitous irrelevant argumentum ad hominem. Discussing this with him is pointless, IMHO. He doesn't listen and is an endless source of smug assed yet mindless cut and paste repetitive posts.
From: Marvin the Martian on 30 Dec 2009 23:09 Here is how to understand how AGW frauds think of "Climate" and "Weather". Weather is what causes a lack of hurricane activity over the entire season for several successive years when their climate prediction is for many more than average and more powerful hurricanes. Got it?
From: Sam Wormley on 30 Dec 2009 23:21 On 12/30/09 10:09 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > Here is how to understand how AGW frauds think of "Climate" and "Weather". > > Weather is what causes a lack of hurricane activity over the entire > season for several successive years when their climate prediction is for > many more than average and more powerful hurricanes. > > Got it? > Try not to be so stooooopid, Marvin. Instead, try taking climate change a bit more seriously. CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level increase, are all consistent with each other. Real impact is showing up in agriculture, ecosystems, weather patterns, shifting seasons and ice melting. The global data CLEARLY shows: Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif And accompanying Sea Level Rise http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png There are many sources of good data http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php Here's some data from Iowa State University http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/faculty/takle/presentations.html More from University of Iowa http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/faculty-staff/profile-directory/cee/schnoor_j.php Franzen - The Chemistry and Physics of Global Climate Change http://hfranzen.org/ http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf
From: I M on 30 Dec 2009 23:53 On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:26:27 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 12/30/09 8:31 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote: >>>> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for >>>>>>> 15,000,000 years! >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW >>>>>> advocates. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009, >>>>> carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration >>>>> of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per >>>>> year. >>>> >>>> Caused by what? >>>> Evidence your claim. Here. >>>> >>>> Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim. >>>> Where is it? >>>> And don't come up with Google now. >>>> I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to. >>> >>> As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase >>> in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable >>> observable. >>> >>> As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting >>> that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil >>> fuel burning) is a contributing factor. >>> >>> Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously? >> >> >> I take it seriously, but I don't have >> to like the colder than normal weather >> and the resulting bigger heating bills, >> I even have to let faucets run when >> the temperature goes 10 degrees >> below normal. >> >> Move about 800 miles east and >> see how you like it, but wait till spring, >> some of the roads may be closed. >> > > You appear to easily confuse local weather and global climate. There is no "global climate", every region has it's own unique climate, which may include every kind of weather ever experienced. To show how stupid the temperature averaging is, the high temperature for this date was 70 degrees, tomorrow the high will be 29, and the low for this date was 13 below, tomorrow night it will be 18 F. Both those records were before 1885, and with temperature excursions like that, averaging is a joke. Global Warming has become a big joke, all the AGW gossip and alarmism has always been a joke. If the alarmists would even stick to the IPPC latest reports at least the insanity would be gone. Too bad AGW is being claimed by so many hopeful carbon credit salesmen.
From: Sam Wormley on 31 Dec 2009 00:30
On 12/30/09 10:53 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > > Global Warming has become a big joke, > all the AGW gossip and alarmism has always > been a joke. You really ought to be taking the global climate change seriously. Seriously! Why are you wasting your time poking holes at it? CO2 increase, Global Temperature increase, Sea Level increase, are all consistent with each other. Real impact is showing up in agriculture, ecosystems, weather patterns, shifting seasons and melting ice. The global data CLEARLY shows: Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 http://edu-observatory.org/olli/800000yrs_CO2.png http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif And accompanying Sea Level Rise http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png There are many sources of good data http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php Here's some data from Iowa State University http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/faculty/takle/presentations.html More from University of Iowa http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/faculty-staff/profile-directory/cee/schnoor_j.php Franzen - The Chemistry and Physics of Global Climate Change http://hfranzen.org/ http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf |