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From: TUKA on 1 Jan 2010 12:05 On 2010-01-01, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/1/10 10:19 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > >> >> You AGWers really must STOP using sources now debunked as utter >> fabrications. That isn't going to work. > > See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0 > Utter bull. He speaks as if the model is evidence. It simply is not. It is the usual AGW appeal to ignorance -- "We can't imagine what else it might be, so it must be man." -- An amateur practices until he gets it right. A pro practices until he can't get it wrong. -- unknown
From: Marvin the Martian on 1 Jan 2010 12:27 On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:49:10 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 1/1/10 10:29 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > > >> I wonder if he even reads what's posted. > > Climate Monitoring > http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php > http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/index.html I'll take that as a big "no, you don't read what's posted". LOL!!
From: I M on 1 Jan 2010 13:36 On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:04:27 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/1/10 5:10 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:59:48 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer >> <spamtrap.AT(a)AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote: >> >>> "I M @ good guy"<I_m(a)good.guy> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:26:27 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/30/09 8:31 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:47 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/30/09 4:47 PM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote: >>>>>>>> Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/30/09 10:45 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:48:40 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Until a few dacades ago, Peter. The CO2 ain'y been this high for >>>>>>>>>>> 15,000,000 years! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, he just debunked that. More fraud on the part of the AGW >>>>>>>>>> advocates. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marvin, you should invest in some glasses. As of March 2009, >>>>>>>>> carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration >>>>>>>>> of 387 ppm by volume and increasing at a rate of 1.7 ppm per >>>>>>>>> year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Caused by what? >>>>>>>> Evidence your claim. Here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Btw, show me the data set for your 15 mio. years claim. >>>>>>>> Where is it? >>>>>>>> And don't come up with Google now. >>>>>>>> I want to see YOUR data set you are referring to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I told Marvin... the concentration and rate of increase >>>>>>> in concentration of CO2 is an observable, and undeniable >>>>>>> observable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the cause, there is more and more evidence suggesting >>>>>>> that human activity (deforestation, cement production, fossil >>>>>>> fuel burning) is a contributing factor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter, why don't you take global climate change seriously? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I take it seriously, but I don't have >>>>>> to like the colder than normal weather >>>>>> and the resulting bigger heating bills, >>>>>> I even have to let faucets run when >>>>>> the temperature goes 10 degrees >>>>>> below normal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Move about 800 miles east and >>>>>> see how you like it, but wait till spring, >>>>>> some of the roads may be closed. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You appear to easily confuse local weather and global climate. >>>> >>>> There is no "global climate", every region >>>> has it's own unique climate, which may include >>>> every kind of weather ever experienced. >>>> >>>> To show how stupid the temperature >>>> averaging is, the high temperature for this >>>> date was 70 degrees, tomorrow the high >>>> will be 29, and the low for this date was >>>> 13 below, tomorrow night it will be 18 F. >>>> >>>> Both those records were before 1885, >>>> and with temperature excursions like that, >>>> averaging is a joke. >>>> >>>> Global Warming has become a big joke, >>>> all the AGW gossip and alarmism has always >>>> been a joke. >>>> If the alarmists would even stick to the >>>> IPPC latest reports at least the insanity would >>>> be gone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Too bad AGW is being claimed by so many >>>> hopeful carbon credit salesmen. >>>> >>> >>> It's so very vain even trying to open a rudimentally discussion with him. >>> He's the worst case I've seen in this newsgroup since years. >>> Even Ollibolli Rex or LLiard LLoyd are more conversable and amusing. >>> This mantra-like "Look, I have - No, you're wrong - Look, I have- No, you're >>> wrong" without any substance is more like his religion than science. >>> As soon as you scratch his surface a little bit, he shuts himself off, hiding >>> behind his stupid links. >> >> >> I have been reading messages from sci.physics >> in 2003 that were cross-posted to sci.physics.relativity, >> I have never seen an original message by him, even >> though he had to spend twice as long in school. :-) >> >> With old age, long history of mild diabetes >> and resulting heart trouble, cold weather is no >> longer a joke, so I will suffer long stretches of >> cabin fever during the next couple of months >> while the AGW idiots complain about a fraction >> of a degree warmer average in the cooked books. >> >> There must be air moving up north some >> place to have so much arctic air moving down >> here. >> > > I was hoping you would have greater curiosity about the chemistry > and physics of global climate change and dig into the science deeper. Really, I thought you wanted somebody to say Whata Fool am I. > What's to stop you from channeling your cabin fever into trying to > understand why climatologists have come to the conclusions that they > have. Facts, like my heating bill going up, but I apologize for not being able to understand how warmer = cooler, or how cooler = warmer. >Are you not the least bit interested in the science? Very much so, after reading every science fiction rag between 1938 and 1951, I gave up science fiction for science. Until a climate writer begins a paper with "GreenHouse Gases are what cool the atmosphere", I will have no confidence in them knowing what they write about. I consider water vapor and the LTE to provide 99 percent of holding the heat in the lower atmosphere, CO2 is not a major factor. I do not consider a person doing library research and parroting what he read to be an expert on the subject, the identical wording of so many sentences in different papers is a horrible example of science.
From: Sam Wormley on 1 Jan 2010 14:46 On 1/1/10 12:36 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > > Until a climate writer begins a paper with > "GreenHouse Gases are what cool the atmosphere", > I will have no confidence in them knowing what > they write about. Actually greenhouse gasses, by definition, "trap" heat so the earth doesn't cool so much.
From: I M on 1 Jan 2010 15:24
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:51:50 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/1/10 10:37 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:09:28 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >>> On 1/1/10 10:03 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>> >>> >>>> We have a Fortran source code that is even COMMENTED that it is >>>> applying a 'fudge factor' and there is no rational reason at all for it >>>> to be there other than to support an argument that you know is false. >>> >>> Why don't you post that FORTRAN Code (or a link to it) so we may >>> scrutinize. >> >> You won't scrutinize. You never have a critical eye. You just look at the >> day and claim it is night. Those of us who CARE about science have >> already looked at it and saw what a laughably outrageous piece of code it >> was. They clearly didn't think anyone would ever look at it. >> >> Just go away Wormely, You just didn't lose your credibility; you shot it, >> poisoned it, ran a tank over it, fed it to a wood chipper and then fed it >> to the pigs. > > Marvin is afraid to post the FORTRAN code as it will likely > show he just blustering some more and doesn't even understand > the code! Post the FORTRAN Marvin! He should not post the code, just a link to it, quit trying to get people to do illegal things. http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/23/the-code.html?currentPage=2 http://di2.nu/foia/osborn-tree6/summer_modes/pl_decline.pro |