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From: Rich Grise on 13 Oct 2009 16:09 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:56:14 -0700, Joerg wrote: > Charlie E. wrote: > >> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing. >> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to >> participate! Hear, hear! > I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with > pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must > remember that it's not always their own fault. Who exactly shoveled those couple hundred pounds of excess fat into their mouths? > However, that system > often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little > constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar > habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave > healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer. Well, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote. The solution is to simply make people pay their own damn bills! Why bother to eat right, get some exercise, and learn how to operate a first aid kit when you can just go to the local ER for every little complaint and get a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers? Thanks, Rich
From: Charlie E. on 13 Oct 2009 16:50 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:08:20 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >We need serious cost control, starting with cutting the lawyers out of >the system, and negotiating for generic drugs for public health >programs. And we need a network of free clinics, staffed by nurse >practitioners, that anyone can walk into with zero paperwork. > >Tax laws should be structured to encourage Kaiser-type systems. > >But the current drive isn't about health care, it's about power. > >John > Yes, that is a 'public' health system I could get behind. You get sick, you go to the local health clinic. They triag you, and if you have something serious, it goes up the ladder to an urgent care facility, unless it is REALLY serious, when they call an ambulance and take you to the ER! I had Kaiser for a while, but was not really satisfied with them. If you got assigned to someone that didn't know what they were doing, it was a hassle to get re-assigned to someone that did. My wife had nothing but problems with them... Charlie
From: John Larkin on 13 Oct 2009 16:54 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:50:19 -0700, Charlie E. <edmondson(a)ieee.org> wrote: >On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:08:20 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >>We need serious cost control, starting with cutting the lawyers out of >>the system, and negotiating for generic drugs for public health >>programs. And we need a network of free clinics, staffed by nurse >>practitioners, that anyone can walk into with zero paperwork. >> >>Tax laws should be structured to encourage Kaiser-type systems. >> >>But the current drive isn't about health care, it's about power. >> >>John >> > >Yes, that is a 'public' health system I could get behind. You get >sick, you go to the local health clinic. They triag you, and if you >have something serious, it goes up the ladder to an urgent care >facility, unless it is REALLY serious, when they call an ambulance and >take you to the ER! > >I had Kaiser for a while, but was not really satisfied with them. If >you got assigned to someone that didn't know what they were doing, it >was a hassle to get re-assigned to someone that did. My wife had >nothing but problems with them... > The thing about Kaiser is that you have to complain if you're not happy. If you don't like your doctor, demand another one. A FAX works magic on Kaiser for some reason. Kaiser is miles ahead of insurance plans like Blue Cross. John
From: Joerg on 13 Oct 2009 17:02 Rich Grise wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:56:14 -0700, Joerg wrote: >> Charlie E. wrote: >> >>> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing. >>> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to >>> participate! > > Hear, hear! > >> I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with >> pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must >> remember that it's not always their own fault. > > Who exactly shoveled those couple hundred pounds of excess fat into their > mouths? > Into the guy who was born with a heart condition? Or epilepsy? Or the guys who was T-boned by an uninsured driver? >> However, that system >> often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little >> constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar >> habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave >> healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer. > > Well, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote. > > The solution is to simply make people pay their own damn bills! > There's the ticket. Small stuff should always be out of pocket, like it used to be. > Why bother to eat right, get some exercise, and learn how to operate a > first aid kit when you can just go to the local ER for every little > complaint and get a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers? > -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: JeffM on 13 Oct 2009 17:27
Tim Wescott wrote: >If you're a neo (read "fake") conservative in the US these days >then you're either a religious nutcase or you're >operating under the delusion that you can use religious nutcases >to further your agenda without seeing your country turn into >a religious nutcase police state. > I think JT likes to see himself as a Goldwater Republican. Problem is, when you vote Red you don't get any Goldwateresque candidates --any more than Blue voters get Trumanesque candidates. |