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From: ChrisQ on 14 Oct 2009 17:03 John Larkin wrote: > > Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim. > > John > and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional requirements are met. What amazes me and others in europe about the current debate in the US on health care is the primitive responses and rabble rousing that bears no relation to the truth. It's also amazing that any modern civilisation worthy of the name can have no universal healthcare system, It's nothing to do with socialism either - it actually costs the state less if health problem are fixed before they get serious and healthier people are more likely to have healthy minds and work, again reducing the cost the the nation in terms of family breakdown, crime and disorder. That's quite apart from the humanitarian issues, which i'm sure no one could argue with, because the US is such a civilised nation, right ?. I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff gets funded from the state with common consent. I could weep for the US at times, but the 'ascent of man' takes longer in some places than others, I guess and there will always be setbacks along the way. /asbestos suit on. (You can only take so much bullshit)... Chris
From: Jim Thompson on 14 Oct 2009 17:23 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:04 +0100, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> >> Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim. >> >> John >> > >and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional >requirements are met. > >What amazes me and others in europe about the current debate in the US >on health care is the primitive responses and rabble rousing that bears >no relation to the truth. It's also amazing that any modern civilisation >worthy of the name can have no universal healthcare system, It's nothing >to do with socialism either - it actually costs the state less if health >problem are fixed before they get serious and healthier people are more >likely to have healthy minds and work, again reducing the cost the the >nation in terms of family breakdown, crime and disorder. That's quite >apart from the humanitarian issues, which i'm sure no one could argue >with, because the US is such a civilised nation, right ?. > >I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >gets funded from the state with common consent. > >I could weep for the US at times, but the 'ascent of man' takes longer >in some places than others, I guess and there will always be setbacks >along the way. > >/asbestos suit on. (You can only take so much bullshit)... > >Chris And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all lumped together into one place. Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people of a share of my income ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
From: John Larkin on 14 Oct 2009 17:29 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:03:04 +0100, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> >> Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim. >> >> John >> > >and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional >requirements are met. Sounds like they are going to be even healthier soon... http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/77132.html Raoul is a little more realistic than Fidel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba#Controversy Their literacy rate is 99%, too. John
From: dagmargoodboat on 14 Oct 2009 17:30 On Oct 14, 4:03 pm, ChrisQ <m...(a)devnull.com> wrote: > John Larkin wrote: > > > Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim. > > > John > > and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional > requirements are met. > > What amazes me and others in europe about the current debate in the US > on health care is the primitive responses and rabble rousing that bears > no relation to the truth. It's also amazing that any modern civilisation > worthy of the name can have no universal healthcare system, It's nothing > to do with socialism either - it actually costs the state less if health > problem are fixed before they get serious and healthier people are more > likely to have healthy minds and work, again reducing the cost the the > nation in terms of family breakdown, crime and disorder. That's quite > apart from the humanitarian issues, which i'm sure no one could argue > with, because the US is such a civilised nation, right ?. > > I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is > universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no > reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else > would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from > taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff > gets funded from the state with common consent. > > I could weep for the US at times, but the 'ascent of man' takes longer > in some places than others, I guess and there will always be setbacks > along the way. > > /asbestos suit on. (You can only take so much bullshit)... > > Chris But you don't understand our situation. A. The government-run healthcare we already have costs as much for a few citizens as does universal care in Europe, and B. It's $36 trillion dollars in the hole. Really.(1) So let's expand it! Not much of a recommendation that, is it? The proposed "fixes" fix nothing, and expand the worst parts of the current government system. And it's full of pork & patronage. Yuck. -- Cheers, James Arthur (1) http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/Unfunded-Obligations-Entitlement-Programs-Dwarf-Bailout-Spending.aspx
From: ChrisQ on 14 Oct 2009 17:32
Jim Thompson wrote: > > And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all > lumped together into one place. > > Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll > just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people > of a share of my income ;-) > ...and the lone ranger rides out into the sunset, but will the last person to leave the us please turn out the lights :-)... Regards Chris |