Proposal for an iPad newsgroup
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From: Adam H. Kerman on 11 Mar 2010 13:34 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: >"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk(a)chinet.com> wrote: >>You may call me all the names you like, but the fact remains that YOU >>haven't posted the Justification to Usenet as I requested. >That is because your request is meaningless, as are you. Michelle, just admit that you didn't actually perform an actual count of messages that represent the kind of discussion you would expect to be in the group (you still haven't proposed) over the long run, and I'll stop asking you to produce the results that you claim you have. I don't want to call you a liar, yet, but gosh, your behavior is truly bizarre if you're not lying. >>There is no reason for me to give you the benefit of a doubt that you >>performed the very basic step, which is the first thing the proponent >>should do in support of his own proposal. >And why should I care about your opinion, and whether you have given me the >benefit of the doubt? Because being familiar with the Usenet audience for the potential group and encouraging those users to post to the group and to request its creation if it hasn't been created locally is your job, which I may have mentioned about 12 times thus far. It's not Kathy's job. It's not Marty's job. If you are unwilling to promote the group after the newgroup message is sent, if you think that getting the hierarchy administrator to issue the newgroup messages is the be-all and end-all of your role, you have no business being a proponent, for you're not taking this seriously. All this pre-RFD discussion is somewhat meaningless. All discussion during RFD will be meaningless. It's what you do to promote the group that counts. I don't want your assurances and I don't want your demands that you are entitled to a benefit of a doubt. You're really not. You claimed that you did this work, so post your results. After all, I'm not asking you to do anything that you haven't done. Right? >The only reason I bother to reply to you at all is that it amuses me to do >so. Seeing you bloviate and puff up your chest (metaphorically speaking) >like a bantam rooster is amusing. But in reality, you are a nonentity with >delusions of adequacy. Uh, huh. Now, where in that paragraph is that Justification?
From: Adam H. Kerman on 11 Mar 2010 13:36 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: >-= Hawk =- <Hawk(a)SPAMcfl.SUCKSrr.com> wrote: >>>And why should I care about your opinion, and whether you have given me >>>the benefit of the doubt? >>Adam is God, in his own mind. You just seem like a fuckwad. >Your opinion bears as much weight as does Adam's. *yawn* Do try to score points against -= Hawk =- . Go for it. It's hysterical.
From: Adam H. Kerman on 11 Mar 2010 13:41 Martin Krischik <krischik(a)users.sourceforge.net> wrote: >I am still for comp.sys.handheld.ipad . . . The name part is "handhelds", plural. comp.sys.handhelds.ipad You got it right in your other message. Steve Bonine got it wrong in followup. The other choice is comp.sys.palmtops.ipad
From: Fred Moore on 11 Mar 2010 13:48 In article <hn9ig3$gmk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk(a)chinet.com> wrote: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > >Michelle Steiner wrote: > > >>I tentatively suggest misc.phone.mobile.ipad, > > >how about comp.sys.mac.handheld > > >which would cater to ipoddtouch, iphone, ipad and whatever else Apple > >may think of in that product space ? > > >In other words, sometghing which encompasses all product with that > >version/build of OS-X with the touchscreen user interface etc etc. > > There is an old newsgroup, improperly named comp.sys.handhelds (note > the plural), the name of which is broad enough for the discussion that > you propose. > > comp.sys.handhelds Handheld computers and programmable calculators. > > comp.sys.* is used for all sorts of computer newsgroups in which > "system" isn't actually the main topic of discussion. These are device > groups, obviously. > > comp.sys.* also distinguishes "handheld" from "palmtop", with these groups: > comp.sys.palmtops Super-powered calculators in the palm of your hand. > comp.sys.palmtops.pilot The Pilot handheld computer. > > If there must be an iPad specific group, perhaps comp.sys.handhelds.ipad, > or comp.sys.palmtops.ipad. > > This may be one of the few times when an alt proponent who never intended > to proponent the groups still put some though into naming: > > alt.comp.devices.calculators Calculator discussion, multi-lingual > alt.comp.devices.cellphones Cellular telephone discussion, mutli-lingual > alt.comp.devices.digital-cameras Digital camera discussion, > multi-lingual > alt.comp.devices.mobile-computers Discussion of laptops, handhelds and > peripherals for them, multi-lingual > > although these four groups lack archived initial newgroup messages. Their > archived newgroup messages are from the robot. Adam, thank you for posting this useful bit of info and refraining from flaming Michelle. You obviously know a lot about Usenet structure, history, and procedures. Your comments provide me with a context which I find useful. Michelle was/is only trying to get the ball rolling for defining an iPad group. Let's not pick nits at this early stage of wide-ranging discussion. I applaud Michelle's initiative! Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Michelle, I'm not sure misc.iphone.mobile.ipad is appropriate since the iPad is not _directly_ a phone. Yes, one will likely be able to make calls given the expected iPad connectivity, but that's an add-on feature. And why relegate the iPad to so diffuse a group as misc? I've never cared for that division much. Though certainly appropriate for some topics, it's such a catch-all. JF, I like the idea of comp.sys.mac, but why add the extra layer of handheld(s). Why not just use comp.sys.mac.ipad? Further, palmtops seems like such a grossly synthetic word which hasn't made it into wide usage, that I wouldn't use it either. My choice from what's been discussed so far is comp.sys.mac.ipad. Looking at each element: - comp: the iPad is a computer. (My digital wristwatch is a computer in the literal sense of the word.) It may not be a full-featured, 10-ton Deep Blue, but the iPad IS directly and literally a computer. - sys: As used in Usenet (please chip in here, Adam), sys means a complete computer system, encompassing both hardware, software, connectivity, and any other directly related topics. Fits an iPad discussion. - mac: Officially, Apple has said (repeatedly) that the iPhone, the Touch, and the iPad run a version, even if substantially altered, of **Mac** OS 10, and even if Apple has renamed this mobile OS the 'iPhone OS'. This OS still started with Mac OS 10. The iPad is a Mac. That said, the iPad as well as the iPhone and Touch are designed to work with Doze computers. I wouldn't want to limit discussion by scaring off some of those platform users, even though few of them have ever been that considerate to Mac users in the past. However, to be platform agnostic, comp.sys.handheld.ipad would also work. Thanks again, Michelle, for getting this thread started.
From: nospam on 11 Mar 2010 13:54
In article <fmoore-79132C.13483511032010(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Fred Moore <fmoore(a)gcfn.org> wrote: > - mac: Officially, Apple has said (repeatedly) that the iPhone, the > Touch, and the iPad run a version, even if substantially altered, of > **Mac** OS 10, they've *never* said that. what they said was that it runs 'os x', not 'mac os x'. > and even if Apple has renamed this mobile OS the 'iPhone > OS'. This OS still started with Mac OS 10. no. > The iPad is a Mac. it is not a mac at all. not even remotely close to one. > That said, > the iPad as well as the iPhone and Touch are designed to work with Doze > computers. they're designed to work standalone, however, they will sync with mac or windows computers. > I wouldn't want to limit discussion by scaring off some of > those platform users, even though few of them have ever been that > considerate to Mac users in the past. However, to be platform agnostic, > comp.sys.handheld.ipad would also work. that leaves out the iphone and ipod touch. |