Question re Canon iP1500
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From: measekite on 5 Apr 2006 15:01 Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144206445.521771.146270(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > >>>Measekite said: "the ip4200 is $80". >>> >>> >>Two points. >> >>1. You said just a short time ago that the ip4000 was better in terms >>of speed than the ip4200 and one would be a fool to buy it. >> >> BUT THE IP5200 IS MUCH FASTER THAN THE IP4200 AND PRODUCES BETTER TEXT AND GRAPHICS THAN THE IP4000 >>2. We are talking with a Canadian who near as i'm aware has limited >>her options to Staples due to the extended warranty. >> >>I have only "heard" of the ip3200, i've never seen one for sale. I >>"imagine" it would be like the ip4200 but missing the dye black. My >>ip3000 >> HE WAS A FOOL TO BUY IT. POOR PHOTOS WHEN COMPARED TO THE IP4000. >>is just dandy without the dye black, >> IS THAT EVER DUMB >> though on matte paper it >>does get a tad soggy for black areas. >> OH YEAH SOGGY FOGGY >> This is easily resolved setting >>the paper type to plain paper. >> >>Mary seems to want a printer that has cheap supplies. >> >> > >Who doesn't? :). > >Mary > > >*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** >*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** > >
From: zakezuke on 5 Apr 2006 15:08 > Canon ip4000 cost $65.00 for both carts and not much more ink in them > than the ip1500 and as you know, print heads on carts. thats why they > are a lot more than my ip1500. No. The ip4000 is like the ip1500 in the fact that it's an ink tank, no head on the cart. It takes 5 tanks. The volume is much higher. ip4000 25ml black 14 ml 4 colors (extra black, cyan magenta yellow) ip1500 9.5ml black *4.6ml 3 colors (cyan magenta yellow). *Not sure on the exact size of the bci-24c, but it's somewhere between 4ml and 5.5ml per color. Black volume 2.6x about 500pages at 5% Color volume 3x I.e. the size of the bci-24c tank with 3 colors is the same volume as one color in the ip4000. Now this isn't to say the volume is super duper massive. HP and Lexmark both printers which take larger tanks. > I didn't see any printers that had color and black carts for $25.00 like > the ip1500. They were about twice the price and not much more volume > either. Most HP's had printheads on carts, and no special values. Have > to buy name brands. Canon has the most STaples brands compatibles Canon and Epson both employ the use of simple inktanks. With the exception of the new canon pixma series, the ip4200/5200/6600d/7500, there are more compatables than you can shake a stick at. HP does have some printers which take inktanks, but I know nothing about compatables for these new models. You can get compatables for other printers that employ heads on the cart, but this adds to the cost and limits your options. At least with Canon and Epson there are people making replacement tanks and are not dependent on used cartridges. > I didn't see any printers that had color and black carts for $25.00 like > the ip1500. They were about twice the price and not much more volume > either. Most HP's had printheads on carts, and no special values. Have > to buy name brands. Canon has the most STaples brands compatibles. You won't. They are not made anymore. I think it has to do with the simple fact that the people who bought them were those who mostly printed black, and only bought color as needed, but their color went dry and the printheads burnt out, and these suckers had to be replaced under warranty. > The sales guy suggested I clean the bottom of the printhead with acetate > like nail polish to see if that helps, which I did. That sounds too harsh to me, but it would clear up the ink. Windex is the prefered medium. I'd go windex, boiling water, then consider something more harsh personaly. But keep in mind that these suckers are basicly lightbulbs, and like lightbulbs will eventually burn out. > I also got more information on Warranties and extended warranty with > Staples. I mentioned about some people here saying to phone Canon to get > a printhead, and he said it isn't done that way here, or not in Staples > at least. I have to admit, I don't know about Canada... however in the US and the UK if your in your "Canon" warranty period, they will ship you a printhead for free. The extended warranty is pretty much just a Staples thing and wouldn't affect your ability to talk to canon, assuming your printer is under a year old. I'm sure you'd prefer Staples to handle it, but it doesn't sound to me that Staples will actually fix it. My personal experence is just the US and a friend with an ip1500. Called canon, got a new printhead via the mail. It's worth asking them in E-mail... but don't say you used acetone. During the first year of the warranty, if the product you buy > such as a printer is under $200.00, and even if you have no extended > warranty with Staples, if something goes wrong with your printer, > Staples will replace it. If you have extended warranty another year will > be added to the replacement feature. the extended warranty is $10.00 for > something under $100.00. He said the printhead for example would cost > Canon about $30.00 to replace on a printer under $200.00 and Canon don't > think its worth it for a cheap printer. > > If its a printer over $200.00 and under warranty with Canon or extended > warranty with Staples, you have to take it to an authorized repair > depot for them to fix it and assess what is wrong. > Thank you for all your information. You sure know a lot about after > market inks and features of various printers. Burt does too and many > others here. > > Mary
From: zakezuke on 5 Apr 2006 15:13 > That is $129.00 and quite expensive carts. I was quoting prices in canadian dollars :P
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 15:53 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144264112.883486.187770(a)e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Canon ip4000 cost $65.00 for both carts and not much more ink in them > > than the ip1500 and as you know, print heads on carts. thats why they > > are a lot more than my ip1500. > > No. The ip4000 is like the ip1500 in the fact that it's an ink tank, > no head on the cart. It takes 5 tanks. The volume is much higher. I must be thinking of the Ip1600. If the 4000 takes 5 tanks , I probably didn't look at it too closely. For now, I am checking tri color carts more. > ip4000 25ml black 14 ml 4 colors (extra black, cyan magenta yellow) > ip1500 9.5ml black *4.6ml 3 colors (cyan magenta yellow). > > *Not sure on the exact size of the bci-24c, but it's somewhere between > 4ml and 5.5ml per color. Its 5ml per color and the black is 9 ml. > Black volume 2.6x about 500pages at 5% > Color volume 3x > > I.e. the size of the bci-24c tank with 3 colors is the same volume as > one color in the ip4000. > > Now this isn't to say the volume is super duper massive. HP and > Lexmark both printers which take larger tanks. The HP carts we checked yesterday for the printers I was looking at were maybe a little more volume than the BCI 24 but not all that much.. > > I didn't see any printers that had color and black carts for $25.00 like > > the ip1500. They were about twice the price and not much more volume > > either. Most HP's had printheads on carts, and no special values. Have > > to buy name brands. Canon has the most STaples brands compatibles > > Canon and Epson both employ the use of simple inktanks. With the > exception of the new canon pixma series, the ip4200/5200/6600d/7500, > there are more compatables than you can shake a stick at. Probably online but Staples is about the only ones I've seen in stores, though Future shop has some too but never checked them. I think my daughter gets her tri color and black carts refilled at a mall refiller. She has an Epson I think, but doesn't buy Epson carts. she sometimes get compatibles from Future shop when I think of it. > HP does have some printers which take inktanks, but I know nothing > about compatables for these new models. > > You can get compatables for other printers that employ heads on the > cart, but this adds to the cost and limits your options. At least with > Canon and Epson there are people making replacement tanks and are not > dependent on used cartridges. In Staples they mainly have Canon compatibles but not for all Canons, just some, and they have some Epson compatibles but I had a C64 which never did get a compatible in stores. > > I didn't see any printers that had color and black carts for $25.00 like > > the ip1500. They were about twice the price and not much more volume > > either. Most HP's had printheads on carts, and no special values. Have > > to buy name brands. Canon has the most STaples brands compatibles. > > You won't. They are not made anymore. I think it has to do with the > simple fact that the people who bought them were those who mostly > printed black, and only bought color as needed, but their color went > dry and the printheads burnt out, and these suckers had to be replaced > under warranty. I don't know if the color would go dry. I don't know anybody who doens't print using color enough to make it not dry up, but maybe some people did. If that happened here, the whole printer is replaced, not just printhead if the printer was under $200.00. Canon don't consider it worth repairing if printer is under $200.00. > > The sales guy suggested I clean the bottom of the printhead with acetate > > like nail polish to see if that helps, which I did. > > That sounds too harsh to me, but it would clear up the ink. Windex is > the prefered medium. I'd go windex, boiling water, then consider > something more harsh personaly. But keep in mind that these suckers > are basicly lightbulbs, and like lightbulbs will eventually burn out. He said acetate worked for his printers. I haven't tried windex yet, or boiling water, but you are right, they will eventually burn out. I never knew anything about the inside workings of a printer will I came to this NG. Its a good education for me. I don't mind knowing things like that. Knowledge of computer related products is always handy to know. > > I also got more information on Warranties and extended warranty with > > Staples. I mentioned about some people here saying to phone Canon to get > > a printhead, and he said it isn't done that way here, or not in Staples > > at least. > > I have to admit, I don't know about Canada... however in the US and the > UK if your in your "Canon" warranty period, they will ship you a > printhead for free. The extended warranty is pretty much just a > Staples thing and wouldn't affect your ability to talk to canon, > assuming your printer is under a year old. I'm sure you'd prefer > Staples to handle it, but it doesn't sound to me that Staples will > actually fix it. My personal experence is just the US and a friend > with an ip1500. Called canon, got a new printhead via the mail. Doesn't work like that here. Canon here will not do that, whether the printer is still under warranty by Canon or not. You can phone them for advice, but cannot get them to send you a part. You need to take the printer to an authorized dealer which they give you a list with the printer instructions, or you can ship it to Canon if you don't live in a big city like Toronto where there are lots of authorized dealers. It must a US thing. If someone were to phone Canon and said to send a new printhead, how would Canon know that the problem was actually the printhead without seeing the printer? what if the printhead didn't fix it and the customer phones again the next week for some other part. Staples will not fix the printer and probably no other store here will either, if the printer price is a cheap printer as Canon don't want it back. If a printer was only sold for $70.00 or $80.00 and the printhead or any other part is $30.00 which is what the sales guy says a printhead costs, Canon do not feel its worth it and Staples just ship the defective printer back to Canon and probably get credit it for it and Canon don't want to fix it because its not worth their while. Maybe they refurbish it. I don't really know. All stores probably work in a similar way here. Canon Canada and Canon US probably do things differently.Due to the much larger market in the US, Canon probably have their reasons to do things differently than here. > It's worth asking them in E-mail... but don't say you used acetone. I don't know what they would say about that but I wouldn't be surprised if they said "how do you know its just the printhead. could be a lot of things." I could ask I guess just to see what they say. Mary > During the first year of the warranty, if the product you buy > > such as a printer is under $200.00, and even if you have no extended > > warranty with Staples, if something goes wrong with your printer, > > Staples will replace it. If you have extended warranty another year will > > be added to the replacement feature. the extended warranty is $10.00 for > > something under $100.00. He said the printhead for example would cost > > Canon about $30.00 to replace on a printer under $200.00 and Canon don't > > think its worth it for a cheap printer. > > > > If its a printer over $200.00 and under warranty with Canon or extended > > warranty with Staples, you have to take it to an authorized repair > > depot for them to fix it and assess what is wrong. > > Thank you for all your information. You sure know a lot about after > > market inks and features of various printers. Burt does too and many > > others here. > > > > Mary >
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 15:57
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144264392.944831.27710(a)z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > That is $129.00 and quite expensive carts. > > I was quoting prices in canadian dollars :P Since you didn't quote anything of what you are replying to, I checked and found where i said that, and I think I must have typed that paragraph out of context because I was talking about some other printer. I noticed you mentioned $88.82, but I wasn't talking about that. $88.82 is not very expensive, so don't know what I was referring to - I have a headache :) Mary |