Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Burt on 5 Apr 2006 21:36 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144284305.906284.277080(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... I agree with Zakezuke that the wisest choice is to pay the additional amount for an ip4000. I hadn't even thought about the fact that the new, factory sealed ip4000 comes with OEM Canon ink that is worth around $70 US. As I recall, the extra cost to Mary is about that much. She's really buying ink and getting a far better printer in the bargain!!! The reality is that she will nearly get the printer free the minute she accepts that deal as the money out of pocket will be offset by the larger quantity of ink that the ip4000 comes with. Although she would be given an ip1600 on warranty, the ink costs downstream will be much higher than aftermarket carts for the ip4000 - especially if she would buy a few sets in advance of needing them on the internet to offset the mailing charge rather than buy just a few carts at a time. Each person looks at these issues through his/her own eyes. To my way of thinking spending a bit more up front will pay off with considerable savings, as well as a better printer, in the long run. It is difficult for me to understand the insistance on staying with a tricolor cart when it is absolutely obvious that the per page cost is higher than the five cart printer and greater savings would flow to Mary long term with the ip4000. In addition, the ip4000 comes with a mfgr one year warranty, so she doesn't lose the year of warranty for the two guaranteed years of printer use she originally purchased. She may even be able to buy an additional year of extended warranty from Staples for the ip4000. Another thing you might consider is that the new printhead that Canon will send you for the ip1500 would probably be salable on ebay as long as you don't install it and try it. Even if you have to give the printer back to staples, you will have a new, unused print head to sell. As far as the full waste ink tank issue is concerned, if she wants to keep the ip1500, there is a person named Tony on this newsgoup who is a printer repair person in New Zealand. He may be able to privately send her the code sequence for resetting the printer. I've read that one reset works ok on other Canon printers without replacing the absorbent pad. Try it too many times and you will probably have ink dribbling out from the base of the printer, but once will probably be OK. If I were absolutely committed to keeping the ip1500 I would first try the reset. If it worked I would then install the new printhead. If it doesn't work, plan B would be to either 1) get the refurb from canon, 2) accept the ip1600 and suffer the higher cost per page or 3) pay additionally for the ip4000 and save enough on aftermarket carts (or in my case refilling) to compensate for the additional cost up front.
From: Burt on 5 Apr 2006 21:40 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e11qad$vor$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1144285405.300198.236870(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > Do y ou mean I could fix the problem of the waste ink absorber > myself? I >> > thought you can't see it by just looking into the printer >> >> The waste counter you can reset with the service tool QY9-0066 as Tony >> explained. You can get it here >> http://www.printersiam.com/data/download/iP1500%20Service%20Tool.zip >> http://www.printersiam.com/data/DOWNLOAD.HTM > > I got an attachment from Tony in my email which I haven't had time to > check out yet. It must be the one you mention above. From what Tony > said, I was under the impression it just stopped the message from > appearing on the screen but that the overflow problem is still there and > according to the guy at Canon, he said that eventually it won't just say > the waste ink absorber is almost full. it will say its full. He said the > only way to solve that is to replace the printer. > I don't think I want to go into service manuals. > > Mary > >> There are also the following keystrokes >> 1. Turn off the printer. And disconnect the printer cable. >> 2. Press and hold the POWER button, turn on the printer. >> 3. The indicator (L.E.D.) should be green. >> 4. Press and release the RESUME button , the indicator (L.E.D.) should >> be orange. >> 5. Press and release the RESUME button again, the indicator (L.E.D.) >> should be green. >> 6. Release both buttons. >> >> The diaper requires a screwdriver to replace, and a service manual >> would be handy. All the free sites to get them are no longer offering >> them, so you're left with the pay for the file bozos unless someone >> else can walk you through it >> http://www.2manuals.com/product_info.php?products_id=578 >> >> There is an e-mail address of someone else who might have it >> http://forum.eserviceinfo.com/viewtopic.php?p=19280 >> But they might be another pay for a download bozo, I don't know. >> > Mary - the printer doesn't actually measure the ink in the waste pad like a gas guage in a car. It is just an estimate. From what I've read, one reset won't create a problem.
From: zakezuke on 5 Apr 2006 22:01 > > But you seem to enjoy the fact that the color and black tanks are > > cheap, even if they are 1/3 the volume and not 1/3 the price. > > Thats because to me it doesn't seem so bad to lay out a lot of money and > when the carts get low, I just don't print much, so the carts last me a > while. I think more about what I have to pay each time even though in > the long run it costs more. Its the same with everything you buy. The difference here, the real difference is ink is used even if you don't print anything. If you have no ink, you risk pre-mature head burnout. That's the thing about this model, users who picked it like the idea of only spending a few bills those rare times they need color and go the rest of the time without, with only a 5ml buffer, which disapears with automatic head cleanings. This is NOT a good procedure on this printer. You would be wise, if being froogle, filling the tank with index so it at least is purging something rather than burning out. This is probally why canon no longer offers the model, because people do exactly this, don't print color, they don't buy color. > The > more you buy the more you save. Each way of thinking has its own merits. > Depends on how you look at things. If you replaced the tanks 10 times, I'd wager you'd save $50 per year on if you used OEM ink. I'm too lazy to calculate the aftermarket. If you print less than 1500pages per year of black text, and no photos, odds are you won't see savings in a year. The service utility should tell you how many pages you've actually printed so you can have some idea what your needs are.
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 22:05 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:Dg_Yf.64885$Jd.64624(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1144284305.906284.277080(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > I agree with Zakezuke that the wisest choice is to pay the additional amount > for an ip4000. I hadn't even thought about the fact that the new, factory > sealed ip4000 comes with OEM Canon ink that is worth around $70 US. As I > recall, the extra cost to Mary is about that much. She's really buying ink > and getting a far better printer in the bargain!!! The reality is that she > will nearly get the printer free the minute she accepts that deal as the > money out of pocket will be offset by the larger quantity of ink that the > ip4000 comes with. Although she would be given an ip1600 on warranty, the > ink costs downstream will be much higher than aftermarket carts for the > ip4000 - especially if she would buy a few sets in advance of needing them > on the internet to offset the mailing charge rather than buy just a few > carts at a time. > > Each person looks at these issues through his/her own eyes. To my way of > thinking spending a bit more up front will pay off with considerable > savings, as well as a better printer, in the long run. It is difficult > for me to understand the insistance on staying with a tricolor cart when it > is absolutely obvious that the per page cost is higher than the five cart > printer and greater savings would flow to Mary long term with the ip4000. > In addition, the ip4000 comes with a mfgr one year warranty, so she doesn't > lose the year of warranty for the two guaranteed years of printer use she > originally purchased. She may even be able to buy an additional year of > extended warranty from Staples for the ip4000. > > Another thing you might consider is that the new printhead that Canon will > send you for the ip1500 would probably be salable on ebay as long as you > don't install it and try it. Even if you have to give the printer back to > staples, you will have a new, unused print head to sell. > > As far as the full waste ink tank issue is concerned, if she wants to keep > the ip1500, there is a person named Tony on this newsgoup who is a printer > repair person in New Zealand. He may be able to privately send her the code > sequence for resetting the printer. I've read that one reset works ok on > other Canon printers without replacing the absorbent pad. Try it too many > times and you will probably have ink dribbling out from the base of the > printer, but once will probably be OK. If I were absolutely committed to > keeping the ip1500 I would first try the reset. Tony sent me something to my email address yesterday. He said it was a utility to do with the absorber, but I havent installed it yet. I thought from what he said (though I could be wrong) that it was only to get rid of the message. I didn't know that resetting it had anything to do with solving the absorbent pad problem. Zak's message mentioned a tool and that you might need a service manual so I began to think that would be beyond my skills.I don't know anything about printer service manuals. If it worked I would then > install the new printhead. If it doesn't work, plan B would be to either 1) > get the refurb from canon, 2) accept the ip1600 and suffer the higher cost > per page or 3) pay additionally for the ip4000 and save enough on > aftermarket carts (or in my case refilling) to compensate for the additional > cost up front. That may be a good idea and is the middle road that still leaves some options still open.. For now I think I will fax Canon tomorrow and let them send me the printhead, but they said after I get the printhead that I need to phone them to get a refurbished printer. They gave me an order number. would that just be for the printhead only and not the refurb printer. Can I just get the printhead and not bother to phone them to get the refurbished printer? Mary
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 22:09
"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:0k_Yf.64886$Jd.51003(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > news:e11qad$vor$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > > "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1144285405.300198.236870(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > Do y ou mean I could fix the problem of the waste ink absorber > > myself? I > >> > thought you can't see it by just looking into the printer > >> > >> The waste counter you can reset with the service tool QY9-0066 as Tony > >> explained. You can get it here > >> http://www.printersiam.com/data/download/iP1500%20Service%20Tool.zip > >> http://www.printersiam.com/data/DOWNLOAD.HTM > > > > I got an attachment from Tony in my email which I haven't had time to > > check out yet. It must be the one you mention above. From what Tony > > said, I was under the impression it just stopped the message from > > appearing on the screen but that the overflow problem is still there and > > according to the guy at Canon, he said that eventually it won't just say > > the waste ink absorber is almost full. it will say its full. He said the > > only way to solve that is to replace the printer. > > I don't think I want to go into service manuals. > > > > Mary > > > >> There are also the following keystrokes > >> 1. Turn off the printer. And disconnect the printer cable. > >> 2. Press and hold the POWER button, turn on the printer. > >> 3. The indicator (L.E.D.) should be green. > >> 4. Press and release the RESUME button , the indicator (L.E.D.) should > >> be orange. > >> 5. Press and release the RESUME button again, the indicator (L.E.D.) > >> should be green. > >> 6. Release both buttons. > >> > >> The diaper requires a screwdriver to replace, and a service manual > >> would be handy. All the free sites to get them are no longer offering > >> them, so you're left with the pay for the file bozos unless someone > >> else can walk you through it > >> http://www.2manuals.com/product_info.php?products_id=578 > >> > >> There is an e-mail address of someone else who might have it > >> http://forum.eserviceinfo.com/viewtopic.php?p=19280 > >> But they might be another pay for a download bozo, I don't know. > >> > > > Mary - the printer doesn't actually measure the ink in the waste pad like a > gas guage in a car. Actually thats I thought it might be something like that. It is just an estimate. From what I've read, one reset > won't create a problem. I thought the reset was just to get rid of the onscreen message warning you about the ink absorber being almost full. I know this may sound stupid, but how can running a software utility lower ink levels? Mary |