Question re Canon iP1500
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From: zakezuke on 17 Apr 2006 04:22 > As long as Island inkjets has the chip resetter for the ip4200. I am > only using it as an example. I remember with the Epson C64 when I first > went to get it refilled a couple of months after the C64 came out, > Island inkjet didn't have the chipsetter for a time but eventually got it. So I > am going on that information. The c64, like my old r200, will not print with an empty chip, or a chip that says "i'm empty" The printer will refuse to print. The ip4200 will print with an empty chip. You will have to click through three warnings that the ink is low, and a final warning from what I am told. So, you could refill them at Island inkjets, without a chip resetter. It would be the same as self refilling. You'd have to ask them whether they would do it or not, I suspect they would And if they had the right ink for the ip4200 as it's a slightly different color from my understanding, nothing too far off. While i lack experence with Island Inkjets there is no technical reason why they coudn't refill tanks for the ip4200. It's just small tupperware with foam on the inside. Epson there was a technicaly reason why they wouldn't refill them without a chip resetter, the printer would reject them. > The ones without chips are much easier to deal with. The chip is a > pain.. I don't remember seeing the ip3000 . it was probably around before I > started looking at printers which is only lately. The ip3000 was in many ways the buget printer, like the ip1500, but taking full sized tanks. It offered as high quality as the ip4000 except didn't have a decicated photoblack. On glossy type photo paper this was not an issue, but matte paper black made from cyan magenta and yellow made for soggy paper, but easily fixed if you said it was plain paper. While technicaly double the price of the ip1500 I bought mine for $65 us and there was also a $20 rebate which I couldn't get. For many this was about the same cost as the ink it came with, and many bought the printer to sell the ink on e-bay, and the pritner seperatly. Presently it's sold at least in mail order houses at MSRP price.. US $100. Good photos, cheap price. http://www.canon.ca/english/index-products.asp?lng=en&prodid=879&sgid=23&gid=2&ovr=1&arch=1 It's a good egg, and if you could find a used one with a bum head it's worth getting a head, same with the ip4000. http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/SearchResults.aspx?language=en-CA&keywords=ip3000&pagenum=0 There is one at the cloverdale mall, one at the shoppers world in danforth, and the toronto eaton ctr. $75.00 or so. And when I saw one, I mean one. No chips, 4 tanks, cheap refills, and as cheap or about the same price as the ip1600. Most important, we have the service manual for the ip4000, and the button presses on the ip3000 are identical, the physical layout is identical. poping in a tank wastes .3grams, periotic cleaning wastes ..14 grams, or more if you wait 2 weeks between printings, with a max if you wait 90 days between cleanings. Then it wastes a gram of big black, and about a gram of color or so. This is a good healthy amount, but not an Epson clean. Most handy for me was the CD printing feature, which i'm told the part required can actually be ordered from Canon Canada, or a service center which deals with canon.
From: measekite on 17 Apr 2006 10:29 Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1145250345.466139.74460(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >>>So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a >>>chipsetter. >>> >>> >>You don't "need" a chipresetter to print. It'll still print so long >> >> >as > > >>you have a chip, at present a Canon chip. >> >> > >Yes, I know it will print. I was talking about if you got the carts for >the ip4200 filled by an ink refiller, then > YOU WOULD RUIN THE PRINTER >he would need a chip >resetter. Or if you filled them yourself you would need a chip resetter, >right? > > > >>>Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a >>>chipsetter?. >>> >>> >>The only prerequisite for printing is a chip. you don't "need" a chip >>reseter to print. >> >> > >Yes, I know. I was talking about refilling empty ip4200 carts by a >refiller - not me. > THOSE WHO SCREW THE SYSTEM WIND UP GETTING SCREWED THEMSELVES. LOOK AT ALL OF THE POSTERS IN THIS NG WHO HAVE TROUBLE WITH PRINTERS. SO FAR, AFTER 10 YEARS, I NEVER HAVE HAD TROUBLE. I ALWAYS USE WHAT THE MFG RECOMMENDS. > I don't want to refill carts. > > > >>Now to get a the spiffy metering, the bar lines that show there and >>abouts how much ink you have left, for "that" you would need a chip >>resetter. >> >> > >You sure like the word "spiffy" - haven't heard that word in a long time >but sometimes it fits the situation. I don't know what bare lines you >mean. > > > >>>I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a >>>chipsetter is but don't know how it works. >>> >>> >>In the most simple terms... the chip stores how empty a cartridge is. >>0% empty, 50% empty, 100% empty. A reseter would tell the chip 0, so >>it would be read as 0% empty. These are not the numbers used... and >>are ment as an example only. >> >> > >I have an idea how it works, but never saw one. > > > >>But you can if you like take your chipped tanks to island inkjets, and >>they can put ink in them, and they will work. >> >> > >As long as Island inkjets has the chip resetter for the ip4200. I am >only >using it as an example. I remember with the Epson C64 when I first >went to get it refilled a couple of months after the C64 came out, >Island >inkjet didn't have the chipsetter for a time but eventually got it. So I >am going on that information. > > > >>Now what I don't know is if the prism system will function with a >>"full" chip. That is a question I can't answer yet. I know the >>metering system is disabled, but I don't know if you'll get that low >>ink warning. >> >>But it's really very simple. To print, you need a chip which >>presently only comes on Canon tanks. So long as you have the chip, it >>will print. Without a chip, it will not print. >> >>ip4200 ip5200 - these need chips, which come on tanks with the printer >>ip3000 ip4000 ip5000 - these do not have chips at all. >> >> > >The ones without chips are much easier to deal with. The chip is a >pain.. >I don't remember seeing the ip3000 . it was probably around before I >started looking at printers which is only lately. >I dont see the ip5000 on STaples site,but they don't have many printers >listed. There are a lot more in the store. Its probably there and more >expensive than the ip4200. > > > >
From: measekite on 17 Apr 2006 10:30 Mary wrote: >"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >news:2iE0g.60845$F_3.41189(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >Mary wrote: > > > >>>Is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that uses a cart chip? >>> >>><The new >>> >>> >>>>carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, >>>> >>>> >however, > > >>>>recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until >>>> >>>> >empty. > > >>>The >>> >>> >>>>printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that >>>> >>>> >>>continuing to >>> >>> >>>>use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip >>>> >>>> >>>resetters" >>> >>> >>>>for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they >>>> >>>> >>>are >>> >>> >>>>emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone >>>> >>>> >>>will >>> >>> >>>>probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. >>>> >>>> > >So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a >chipsetter. Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a >chipsetter?. I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a >chipsetter is but don't know how it works. > > NEITHER DO THEY > > >>>So for now, the ip4200 can't be refilled by a refiller company such >>> >>> >as > > >>>Island Jet? and no compatibles either? How long approcimately after >>> >>> >a > > >>>printer comes out do compatibles appear in stores? >>> >>> >>These carts can be refilled and there are now inks being sold as >> >> >compatable > > >>for the new printers. Just no compatable carts yet. As I mentioned, >>refilling a used OEM cart and reinserting it in the printer works just >> >> >fine > > >>but you get a warning that you may damage the printer. This warning >> >> >is > > >>based on the fact that the chip on the cart now shows the cart as >> >> >empty, > > >>even though you may have refilled it. That is why you would need a >> >> >"chip > > >>resetter" that would reset the chip to tell the printer that it is >> >> >full. > >Ink refillers would probably be able to refill ip4200 carts by now. They >eventually have all the chipsetters for new manufacturers carts. > >No > > >>one knows when (or if) compatable carts will be available. My guess >> >> >is that > > >>someone will come up with one as this represents a very large >> >> >marketplace > > >>for aftermarket products, and the marketplace for the previous carts, >> >> >the > > >>bci-6 and bci-3bke , and their compatable inks will dry up as that >>generation of printers starts to fail. >> >> > >As I asked, is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that has a chip in >their carts? I suppose it would be more difficult to develop compatibles >for carts with chips than carts with no chips. The compatibles would >probably cost more to buy. > > >
From: measekite on 17 Apr 2006 10:34 Mary wrote: >"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >news:fNB0g.60800$F_3.15197(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > >>"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >>news:e1up1s$n1u$1(a)emma.aioe.org... >> >> >>>"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >>>news:fyA0g.60510$F_3.17819(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >>> >>> >>>>"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >>>>news:e1u5g1$rp3$1(a)emma.aioe.org... >>>> >>>> >>>>>"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Because the newest pixma printers have carts with >>>>>>computer chips and currently present a problem with refilling, I >>>>>>bought an extra ip5000 on the same sale and put it away as a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>spare. >>> >>> >>>>>If there is a problem refilling the newest Pixma printers, how do >>>>> >>>>> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>>manage to refill them? and how does buying an extra printer help? >>>>>doesn't the carts on it have a refillling problem too? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>The ip5000 is from the previous generation of printers (like the >>>> >>>> >>>ip1500, >>> >>> >>>>ip4000, etc). The carts are the ones Zakezuke and I have been >>>> >>>> >telling > > >>>you >>> >>> >>>>about. No chips and easy to refill. It uses the same five carts >>>> >>>> >as > > >>>the >>> >>> >>>>ip4000 you were considering buying, but it had a more advanced >>>> >>>> >>>printhead >>> >>> >>>>with smaller jets to produce better photo prints. >>>> >>>> >>>I see what you mean. I thought the ip5000 was one of the newer Pixma >>>printers you were referring to that had a chip in the carts.. >>> >>>Mary >>> >>> >>I bought the spare as a hedge against the possibility that aftermarket >>vendors might be prevented from developing compatable carts in the >> >> >near > > >>future. >> THAT WILL HAPPEN >>It was cheaper than having to buy a few sets of OEM backup >> >> >carts > > >>for the ip4200 or ip5200. >> >> > >You are looking ahead which isn't a bad idea. Do you think that it could >happen that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing >compatible carts? > ABSOLUTELY. >I wouldn't think so. Staples and to a less degree >Future shop have been selling compatibles > THAT IS AN OVERUSED WORD MEANING NOTHING. ALL IT MEANS IS THAT THE CARTS FIT THE PRINTER. >for a few years. >Yes, the ip4200 OEM carts are quite expensive. > DUH. NO KIDDING >Since they have a chip in >the carts, are they easily refilled by a refiller > FALSE >even though they have >a chip? They might come out with compatibles eventually though hard to >tell when. When I had the Epson C64 I waited for it to come out with >compatibles but it never did. > THAT IS A CLOGGING INK DISPENSER >I notice C64 is on the list of Epson >printers for the class action suit, but thats only for the US so no >other countries would have a claim which is too bad as its the same >printer with the same problem, but I guess different countries would >need different lawsuits. My daughter has the C62 and it has >compatibles - it was tricolor. They always complain like I did, that the >Epson ink runs out very fast. Remember I said that about mine and thats >what put me against individual tanks?. > >Mary > > >
From: measekite on 17 Apr 2006 10:35
Mary wrote: >"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >news:fyA0g.60510$F_3.17819(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > >>"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >>news:e1u5g1$rp3$1(a)emma.aioe.org... >> >> >>>"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >>> >>> > > > >>>>Because the newest pixma printers have carts with >>>>computer chips and currently present a problem with refilling, I >>>>bought an extra ip5000 on the same sale and put it away as a >>>> >>>> >spare. > > >>>If there is a problem refilling the newest Pixma printers, how do >>> >>> >you > > >>>manage to refill them? and how does buying an extra printer help? >>>doesn't the carts on it have a refillling problem too? >>> >>> >>The ip5000 is from the previous generation of printers (like the >> >> >ip1500, > > >>ip4000, etc). The carts are the ones Zakezuke and I have been telling >> >> >you > > >>about. No chips and easy to refill. It uses the same five carts as >> >> >the > > >>ip4000 you were considering buying, but it had a more advanced >> >> >printhead > > >>with smaller jets to produce better photo prints. >> >> > >I see what you mean. I thought the ip5000 was one of the newer Pixma >printers you were referring to that had a chip in the carts.. > > GOTO WWW.CANUSA.COM AND GET IT STRAIGHT >Mary > > > |