Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Burt on 16 Apr 2006 23:52 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e1v237$hs5$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:vND0g.60840$F_3.28146(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >> news:e1uvbe$3eu$1(a)emma.aioe.org... >> > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >> > news:fNB0g.60800$F_3.15197(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >> (snip) >> > >> > You are looking ahead which isn't a bad idea. Do you think that it > could >> > happen that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing >> > compatible carts? I wouldn't think so. Staples and to a less degree >> > Future shop have been selling compatibles for a few years. >> > Yes, the ip4200 OEM carts are quite expensive. Since they have a > chip in >> > the carts, are they easily refilled by a refiller even though they > have >> > a chip? They might come out with compatibles eventually though hard > to >> > tell when. When I had the Epson C64 I waited for it to come out with >> > compatibles but it never did. I notice C64 is on the list of Epson >> > printers for the class action suit, but thats only for the US so no >> > other countries would have a claim which is too bad as its the same >> > printer with the same problem, but I guess different countries would >> > need different lawsuits. My daughter has the C62 and it has >> > compatibles - it was tricolor. They always complain like I did, that > the >> > Epson ink runs out very fast. Remember I said that about mine and > thats >> > what put me against individual tanks?. >> > >> > Mary >> > >> From what I've read, the coding on the Canon cart chip is very > complex. >> Simply duplicating it would undoubtedly be a patent infringement, so > somone >> would have to create a compatable cart/chip combination that didn't > violate >> patent laws but would function the same as the Canon OEM cart. Epson > sued >> and won a similar suit against some aftermarket cart manufacturers. > > Is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that uses a cart chip? > > <The new >> carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, however, >> recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until empty. > The >> printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that > continuing to >> use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip > resetters" >> for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they > are >> emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone > will >> probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. Unless someone > can >> develop a compatable cart, however, you would have to buy a set of OEM > Canon >> carts as your backup. > > So for now, the ip4200 can't be refilled by a refiller company such as > Island Jet? and no compatibles either? How long approcimately after a > printer comes out do compatibles appear in stores? These carts can be refilled and there are now inks being sold as compatable for the new printers. Just no compatable carts yet. As I mentioned, refilling a used OEM cart and reinserting it in the printer works just fine but you get a warning that you may damage the printer. This warning is based on the fact that the chip on the cart now shows the cart as empty, even though you may have refilled it. That is why you would need a "chip resetter" that would reset the chip to tell the printer that it is full. No one knows when (or if) compatable carts will be available. My guess is that someone will come up with one as this represents a very large marketplace for aftermarket products, and the marketplace for the previous carts, the bci-6 and bci-3bke , and their compatable inks will dry up as that generation of printers starts to fail. > > >
From: Mary on 17 Apr 2006 00:08 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:2iE0g.60845$F_3.41189(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... Mary wrote: > > Is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that uses a cart chip? > > > > <The new > >> carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, however, > >> recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until empty. > > The > >> printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that > > continuing to > >> use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip > > resetters" > >> for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they > > are > >> emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone > > will > >> probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a chipsetter. Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a chipsetter?. I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a chipsetter is but don't know how it works. > > So for now, the ip4200 can't be refilled by a refiller company such as > > Island Jet? and no compatibles either? How long approcimately after a > > printer comes out do compatibles appear in stores? > > These carts can be refilled and there are now inks being sold as compatable > for the new printers. Just no compatable carts yet. As I mentioned, > refilling a used OEM cart and reinserting it in the printer works just fine > but you get a warning that you may damage the printer. This warning is > based on the fact that the chip on the cart now shows the cart as empty, > even though you may have refilled it. That is why you would need a "chip > resetter" that would reset the chip to tell the printer that it is full. Ink refillers would probably be able to refill ip4200 carts by now. They eventually have all the chipsetters for new manufacturers carts. No > one knows when (or if) compatable carts will be available. My guess is that > someone will come up with one as this represents a very large marketplace > for aftermarket products, and the marketplace for the previous carts, the > bci-6 and bci-3bke , and their compatable inks will dry up as that > generation of printers starts to fail. As I asked, is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that has a chip in their carts? I suppose it would be more difficult to develop compatibles for carts with chips than carts with no chips. The compatibles would probably cost more to buy.
From: Burt on 17 Apr 2006 00:29 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e1v448$r97$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:2iE0g.60845$F_3.41189(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > Mary wrote: > >> > Is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that uses a cart chip? >> > >> > <The new >> >> carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, > however, >> >> recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until > empty. >> > The >> >> printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that >> > continuing to >> >> use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip >> > resetters" >> >> for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they >> > are >> >> emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone >> > will >> >> probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. > > So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a > chipsetter. Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a > chipsetter?. I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a > chipsetter is but don't know how it works. > >> > So for now, the ip4200 can't be refilled by a refiller company such > as >> > Island Jet? and no compatibles either? How long approcimately after > a >> > printer comes out do compatibles appear in stores? >> >> These carts can be refilled and there are now inks being sold as > compatable >> for the new printers. Just no compatable carts yet. As I mentioned, >> refilling a used OEM cart and reinserting it in the printer works just > fine >> but you get a warning that you may damage the printer. This warning > is >> based on the fact that the chip on the cart now shows the cart as > empty, >> even though you may have refilled it. That is why you would need a > "chip >> resetter" that would reset the chip to tell the printer that it is > full. > > Ink refillers would probably be able to refill ip4200 carts by now. They > eventually have all the chipsetters for new manufacturers carts. > > No >> one knows when (or if) compatable carts will be available. My guess > is that >> someone will come up with one as this represents a very large > marketplace >> for aftermarket products, and the marketplace for the previous carts, > the >> bci-6 and bci-3bke , and their compatable inks will dry up as that >> generation of printers starts to fail. > > As I asked, is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that has a chip in > their carts? I suppose it would be more difficult to develop compatibles > for carts with chips than carts with no chips. The compatibles would > probably cost more to buy.l The ip4200 is one of the new pixma printers with chipped carts. >
From: zakezuke on 17 Apr 2006 01:05 > So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a > chipsetter. You don't "need" a chipresetter to print. It'll still print so long as you have a chip, at present a Canon chip. > Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a > chipsetter?. The only prerequisite for printing is a chip. you don't "need" a chip reseter to print. Now to get a the spiffy metering, the bar lines that show there and abouts how much ink you have left, for "that" you would need a chip resetter. > I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a > chipsetter is but don't know how it works. In the most simple terms... the chip stores how empty a cartridge is. 0% empty, 50% empty, 100% empty. A reseter would tell the chip 0, so it would be read as 0% empty. These are not the numbers used... and are ment as an example only. But you can if you like take your chipped tanks to island inkjets, and they can put ink in them, and they will work. Now what I don't know is if the prism system will function with a "full" chip. That is a question I can't answer yet. I know the metering system is disabled, but I don't know if you'll get that low ink warning. But it's really very simple. To print, you need a chip which presently only comes on Canon tanks. So long as you have the chip, it will print. Without a chip, it will not print. ip4200 ip5200 - these need chips, which come on tanks with the printer ip3000 ip4000 ip5000 - these do not have chips at all.
From: Mary on 17 Apr 2006 01:23
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145250345.466139.74460(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > So if you want to get them refilled the refill company would need a > > chipsetter. > > You don't "need" a chipresetter to print. It'll still print so long as > you have a chip, at present a Canon chip. Yes, I know it will print. I was talking about if you got the carts for the ip4200 filled by an ink refiller, then he would need a chip resetter. Or if you filled them yourself you would need a chip resetter, right? > > Or if you refilled them yourself you would need to buy a > > chipsetter?. > > The only prerequisite for printing is a chip. you don't "need" a chip > reseter to print. Yes, I know. I was talking about refilling empty ip4200 carts by a refiller - not me. I don't want to refill carts. > Now to get a the spiffy metering, the bar lines that show there and > abouts how much ink you have left, for "that" you would need a chip > resetter. You sure like the word "spiffy" - haven't heard that word in a long time but sometimes it fits the situation. I don't know what bare lines you mean. > > I think thats what you mean. I have an idea what a > > chipsetter is but don't know how it works. > > In the most simple terms... the chip stores how empty a cartridge is. > 0% empty, 50% empty, 100% empty. A reseter would tell the chip 0, so > it would be read as 0% empty. These are not the numbers used... and > are ment as an example only. I have an idea how it works, but never saw one. > But you can if you like take your chipped tanks to island inkjets, and > they can put ink in them, and they will work. As long as Island inkjets has the chip resetter for the ip4200. I am only using it as an example. I remember with the Epson C64 when I first went to get it refilled a couple of months after the C64 came out, Island inkjet didn't have the chipsetter for a time but eventually got it. So I am going on that information. > Now what I don't know is if the prism system will function with a > "full" chip. That is a question I can't answer yet. I know the > metering system is disabled, but I don't know if you'll get that low > ink warning. > > But it's really very simple. To print, you need a chip which > presently only comes on Canon tanks. So long as you have the chip, it > will print. Without a chip, it will not print. > > ip4200 ip5200 - these need chips, which come on tanks with the printer > ip3000 ip4000 ip5000 - these do not have chips at all. The ones without chips are much easier to deal with. The chip is a pain.. I don't remember seeing the ip3000 . it was probably around before I started looking at printers which is only lately. I dont see the ip5000 on STaples site,but they don't have many printers listed. There are a lot more in the store. Its probably there and more expensive than the ip4200. |