Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Mary on 16 Apr 2006 20:59 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:fyA0g.60510$F_3.17819(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > news:e1u5g1$rp3$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> Because the newest pixma printers have carts with > >> computer chips and currently present a problem with refilling, I > >> bought an extra ip5000 on the same sale and put it away as a spare. > > > > If there is a problem refilling the newest Pixma printers, how do you > > manage to refill them? and how does buying an extra printer help? > > doesn't the carts on it have a refillling problem too? > > The ip5000 is from the previous generation of printers (like the ip1500, > ip4000, etc). The carts are the ones Zakezuke and I have been telling you > about. No chips and easy to refill. It uses the same five carts as the > ip4000 you were considering buying, but it had a more advanced printhead > with smaller jets to produce better photo prints. I see what you mean. I thought the ip5000 was one of the newer Pixma printers you were referring to that had a chip in the carts.. Mary
From: Burt on 16 Apr 2006 21:00 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e1up1s$n1u$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:fyA0g.60510$F_3.17819(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message >> news:e1u5g1$rp3$1(a)emma.aioe.org... >> > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > >> >> Because the newest pixma printers have carts with >> >> computer chips and currently present a problem with refilling, I >> >> bought an extra ip5000 on the same sale and put it away as a > spare. >> > >> > If there is a problem refilling the newest Pixma printers, how do > you >> > manage to refill them? and how does buying an extra printer help? >> > doesn't the carts on it have a refillling problem too? >> >> The ip5000 is from the previous generation of printers (like the > ip1500, >> ip4000, etc). The carts are the ones Zakezuke and I have been telling > you >> about. No chips and easy to refill. It uses the same five carts as > the >> ip4000 you were considering buying, but it had a more advanced > printhead >> with smaller jets to produce better photo prints. > > I see what you mean. I thought the ip5000 was one of the newer Pixma > printers you were referring to that had a chip in the carts.. > > Mary I bought the spare as a hedge against the possibility that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing compatable carts in the near future. It was cheaper than having to buy a few sets of OEM backup carts for the ip4200 or ip5200.
From: Mary on 16 Apr 2006 22:47 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:fNB0g.60800$F_3.15197(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > news:e1up1s$n1u$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > > news:fyA0g.60510$F_3.17819(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > >> news:e1u5g1$rp3$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > >> > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > >> >> Because the newest pixma printers have carts with > >> >> computer chips and currently present a problem with refilling, I > >> >> bought an extra ip5000 on the same sale and put it away as a > > spare. > >> > > >> > If there is a problem refilling the newest Pixma printers, how do > > you > >> > manage to refill them? and how does buying an extra printer help? > >> > doesn't the carts on it have a refillling problem too? > >> > >> The ip5000 is from the previous generation of printers (like the > > ip1500, > >> ip4000, etc). The carts are the ones Zakezuke and I have been telling > > you > >> about. No chips and easy to refill. It uses the same five carts as > > the > >> ip4000 you were considering buying, but it had a more advanced > > printhead > >> with smaller jets to produce better photo prints. > > > > I see what you mean. I thought the ip5000 was one of the newer Pixma > > printers you were referring to that had a chip in the carts.. > > > > Mary > > I bought the spare as a hedge against the possibility that aftermarket > vendors might be prevented from developing compatable carts in the near > future. It was cheaper than having to buy a few sets of OEM backup carts > for the ip4200 or ip5200. You are looking ahead which isn't a bad idea. Do you think that it could happen that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing compatible carts? I wouldn't think so. Staples and to a less degree Future shop have been selling compatibles for a few years. Yes, the ip4200 OEM carts are quite expensive. Since they have a chip in the carts, are they easily refilled by a refiller even though they have a chip? They might come out with compatibles eventually though hard to tell when. When I had the Epson C64 I waited for it to come out with compatibles but it never did. I notice C64 is on the list of Epson printers for the class action suit, but thats only for the US so no other countries would have a claim which is too bad as its the same printer with the same problem, but I guess different countries would need different lawsuits. My daughter has the C62 and it has compatibles - it was tricolor. They always complain like I did, that the Epson ink runs out very fast. Remember I said that about mine and thats what put me against individual tanks?. Mary
From: Burt on 16 Apr 2006 23:17 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e1uvbe$3eu$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:fNB0g.60800$F_3.15197(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message (snip) > > You are looking ahead which isn't a bad idea. Do you think that it could > happen that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing > compatible carts? I wouldn't think so. Staples and to a less degree > Future shop have been selling compatibles for a few years. > Yes, the ip4200 OEM carts are quite expensive. Since they have a chip in > the carts, are they easily refilled by a refiller even though they have > a chip? They might come out with compatibles eventually though hard to > tell when. When I had the Epson C64 I waited for it to come out with > compatibles but it never did. I notice C64 is on the list of Epson > printers for the class action suit, but thats only for the US so no > other countries would have a claim which is too bad as its the same > printer with the same problem, but I guess different countries would > need different lawsuits. My daughter has the C62 and it has > compatibles - it was tricolor. They always complain like I did, that the > Epson ink runs out very fast. Remember I said that about mine and thats > what put me against individual tanks?. > > Mary > From what I've read, the coding on the Canon cart chip is very complex. Simply duplicating it would undoubtedly be a patent infringement, so somone would have to create a compatable cart/chip combination that didn't violate patent laws but would function the same as the Canon OEM cart. Epson sued and won a similar suit against some aftermarket cart manufacturers. The new carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, however, recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until empty. The printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that continuing to use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip resetters" for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they are emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone will probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. Unless someone can develop a compatable cart, however, you would have to buy a set of OEM Canon carts as your backup. Typically, when you refill carts you keep a full backup set and rotate them. When one is empty you replace it with the backup cart and then refill the one that became empty when you have time. This way you don't unterrupt your printing session to refill a cart. It is more efficient to fill several at a time anyway. Since I have a few dozen carts and a supply if ink for my i960 and ip5000 it made sense to buy a backup printer when the price dropped to a little more than the cost of a set of carts.
From: Mary on 16 Apr 2006 23:34
"Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:vND0g.60840$F_3.28146(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > news:e1uvbe$3eu$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > > "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > > news:fNB0g.60800$F_3.15197(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message > (snip) > > > > You are looking ahead which isn't a bad idea. Do you think that it could > > happen that aftermarket vendors might be prevented from developing > > compatible carts? I wouldn't think so. Staples and to a less degree > > Future shop have been selling compatibles for a few years. > > Yes, the ip4200 OEM carts are quite expensive. Since they have a chip in > > the carts, are they easily refilled by a refiller even though they have > > a chip? They might come out with compatibles eventually though hard to > > tell when. When I had the Epson C64 I waited for it to come out with > > compatibles but it never did. I notice C64 is on the list of Epson > > printers for the class action suit, but thats only for the US so no > > other countries would have a claim which is too bad as its the same > > printer with the same problem, but I guess different countries would > > need different lawsuits. My daughter has the C62 and it has > > compatibles - it was tricolor. They always complain like I did, that the > > Epson ink runs out very fast. Remember I said that about mine and thats > > what put me against individual tanks?. > > > > Mary > > > From what I've read, the coding on the Canon cart chip is very complex. > Simply duplicating it would undoubtedly be a patent infringement, so somone > would have to create a compatable cart/chip combination that didn't violate > patent laws but would function the same as the Canon OEM cart. Epson sued > and won a similar suit against some aftermarket cart manufacturers. Is the ip4200 the first Canon printer that uses a cart chip? <The new > carts can be refilled just like the older ones. The printer, however, > recognizes that the cart had been in the printer and used until empty. The > printer would then send you messages with a dire warning that continuing to > use the cart could cause damage, etc. Just as there are "chip resetters" > for the Epson chipped carts to make them read full again after they are > emptied (so they can be refilled and used in the printer), someone will > probably come up with a similar device for the Canons. Unless someone can > develop a compatable cart, however, you would have to buy a set of OEM Canon > carts as your backup. So for now, the ip4200 can't be refilled by a refiller company such as Island Jet? and no compatibles either? How long approcimately after a printer comes out do compatibles appear in stores? |