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From: JF Mezei on 16 Jan 2010 17:41 VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > 30+ years of VMS and I never found any reason to use any GUI interface to > any system management function. Not even the graphical symbolic debugger I used the DHCP$GUI to setup the DHCP server. And I use TPU in Xwindow mode all the time. (TPU is a text editor). I welcomed the X version of the debugger when I move to a Xwinow based workstation. However, I did use the DECwidnows "file manager" a number of times to explore the system directory structure when I moved to Xwindows, for instancem to find out where the DECW .h files were located. The thing is that once a system has been setup and running, you have far less learning to do. When you are setting up the system, you spend your time very differently, learning, testing etc.
From: Jolly Roger on 16 Jan 2010 19:17 In article <00A97A43.58684AE2(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <jollyroger-AC76C0.10592116012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly > Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: > >In article <00A97A15.A0EDCFC4(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, > > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > >> In article <jollyroger-9F5B1E.21013315012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly > >> Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: > >> >In article <00A979AB.500C7556(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, > >> > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> > > >> >> In article <jollyroger-0C8C6D.17183215012010(a)news.individual.net>, > >> >> Jolly > >> >> Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: > >> >> > >> >> >Most every experienced system manager I know is not put off by the > >> >> >command line. Quite the contrary, they appreciate that in many ways, > >> >> >it's much more efficient than graphical user interfaces. > >> >> > >> >> Familiarity breathes contentment. Put your OSX experienced system > >> >> manager > >> >> in front of a VMS system and let's see how far he goes. JF is used to > >> >> the > >> >> command line wherein commands predicate function. For example, if you > >> >> want > >> >> to search for a string in a file, the command is SEARCH, not grep. If > >> >> you > >> >> wanted to copy a file it's COPY, not cp; RENAME, not mv; DELETE, no rm. > >> >> I > >> >> think you could be a little fairer as he tries to understand what seems > >> >> to > >> >> be a rather cryptic interface for someone coming from a well organized > >> >> and > >> >> concise system. > >> > > >> >It seems like you're saying showing hidden files in the Finder is useful > >> >as a learning tool, to help someone get familiar with the Unix file > >> >system that is normally obscured. I don't recall ever having done that > >> >to learn the Unix file system, myself; but whatever gets the job done. > >> >: ) > >> > >> I'd been on unix long before I touched OSX. I'll bet many here, as the > >> true Mac zealots, who came up through the ranks of the Mac predecessors > >> to OSX are not that well versed in unix -- the underpinnings of OS X. > > > >I learned *nix long before Mac OS X came along as well, but even back > >then, I didn't use the *nix GUI applications to access hidden files. > >There is a natural (to me, anyway) boundary between things that are > >hidden from GUI windows and things that aren't. And I've never found > >myself thinking "I wish I could edit this mySQL config file in Kedit, > >dammit!", because the command line is second nature to me. > > Why pick a fight with me? I was only trying to explain where JF's root lie. Who's fighting?? -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: VAXman- on 16 Jan 2010 22:29 In article <00ce1383$0$13095$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> 30+ years of VMS and I never found any reason to use any GUI interface to >> any system management function. Not even the graphical symbolic debugger > >I used the DHCP$GUI to setup the DHCP server. And I use TPU in Xwindow >mode all the time. (TPU is a text editor). > >I welcomed the X version of the debugger when I move to a Xwinow based >workstation. This luddite prefers EDT and Xdelta; Eh? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
From: Paul Sture on 17 Jan 2010 11:10 In article <00A97A45.FF73F036(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <paul.nospam-030073.18320716012010(a)pbook.sture.ch>, Paul Sture > <paul.nospam(a)sture.ch> writes: > >In article <00af4a33$0$16813$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > >> Jolly Roger wrote: > >> > >> > You claim to be a system administrator, yet you seem to think reliance > >> > on the command line is a bad thing, for some reason. I don't get that > >> > at all! > >> > >> Not at all. I come from a VMS background where there were very few GUI > >> system administration tools. (I thing DCHP_GUI was the only one). > > > >Well there was the VMS Management Station stuff... :-) :-) > > > >(Cue maniacal screams of laughter - this was _not_ Enterprise capable > >software) > > Yeah, Paul... > > 30+ years of VMS and I never found any reason to use any GUI interface to > any system management function. Not even the graphical symbolic debugger > and I've never configured the symbolic kernel debugger. The original VMS > tools were that good, I'm comfortable with them, and I see no need to en- > cumber the results with fanciful colourful displays. My one exception was an in-house monitoring GUI tool which I used in a previous job. It really came into its own when monitoring a server farm running critical processes. -- Paul Sture
From: Paul Sture on 18 Jan 2010 07:25
In article <00c16980$0$8200$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > > TextWrangler seems OK, but it is not X, so I cannot type "edit > mumble.conf" on the server and have the textwrangler pop up on my > workstation. Have you tried NEdit? It's an X11 app. Some screenshots: <http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/NEdit-Screenshot-714.html> Darwinports: <http://nedit.darwinports.com/> Official NEdit site <http://www.nedit.org/> Building NEdit 5.5 on an Intel Mac</a> (2006) <http://anoved.net/software/nedit/> (there's a VMS port floating around somewhere) -- Paul Sture |