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From: Paul Sture on 16 Jan 2010 12:32 In article <00af4a33$0$16813$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > > > You claim to be a system administrator, yet you seem to think reliance > > on the command line is a bad thing, for some reason. I don't get that > > at all! > > Not at all. I come from a VMS background where there were very few GUI > system administration tools. (I thing DCHP_GUI was the only one). Well there was the VMS Management Station stuff... :-) :-) (Cue maniacal screams of laughter - this was _not_ Enterprise capable software) -- Paul Sture
From: Steven Fisher on 16 Jan 2010 14:39 In article <paul.nospam-3CAE72.15091116012010(a)pbook.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.nospam(a)sture.ch> wrote: > In article <0197ef4a$0$10141$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > Wes Groleau wrote: > > > > > I haven't installed TextWrangler on this disk, but if I remember right, > > > it has a directory view that allows double-click on a filename to edit, > > > which also shows dot-files. > > > > > > It has "open" and "open hidden" separate menu options. I guess for a > > "user" that uses text wrangler for editing text, the "open" is fine and > > that person doesn't want to see the crud and hiden files/directories. > > > > But for a system manager, "open" should, by default, show everything. > > Having to remember to always use "open hidden" is a nagging thing. > > File an enhancement request to TextWrangler's authors for an extra > preference? You can probably just redefine command-o to mean Open Hidden, too. I think I did this previously. Steve
From: VAXman- on 16 Jan 2010 14:47 In article <jollyroger-AC76C0.10592116012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: >In article <00A97A15.A0EDCFC4(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article <jollyroger-9F5B1E.21013315012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly >> Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: >> >In article <00A979AB.500C7556(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, >> > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> > >> >> In article <jollyroger-0C8C6D.17183215012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly >> >> Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: >> >> >> >> >Most every experienced system manager I know is not put off by the >> >> >command line. Quite the contrary, they appreciate that in many ways, >> >> >it's much more efficient than graphical user interfaces. >> >> >> >> Familiarity breathes contentment. Put your OSX experienced system manager >> >> in front of a VMS system and let's see how far he goes. JF is used to the >> >> command line wherein commands predicate function. For example, if you >> >> want >> >> to search for a string in a file, the command is SEARCH, not grep. If you >> >> wanted to copy a file it's COPY, not cp; RENAME, not mv; DELETE, no rm. I >> >> think you could be a little fairer as he tries to understand what seems to >> >> be a rather cryptic interface for someone coming from a well organized and >> >> concise system. >> > >> >It seems like you're saying showing hidden files in the Finder is useful >> >as a learning tool, to help someone get familiar with the Unix file >> >system that is normally obscured. I don't recall ever having done that >> >to learn the Unix file system, myself; but whatever gets the job done. >> >: ) >> >> I'd been on unix long before I touched OSX. I'll bet many here, as the >> true Mac zealots, who came up through the ranks of the Mac predecessors >> to OSX are not that well versed in unix -- the underpinnings of OS X. > >I learned *nix long before Mac OS X came along as well, but even back >then, I didn't use the *nix GUI applications to access hidden files. >There is a natural (to me, anyway) boundary between things that are >hidden from GUI windows and things that aren't. And I've never found >myself thinking "I wish I could edit this mySQL config file in Kedit, >dammit!", because the command line is second nature to me. Why pick a fight with me? I was only trying to explain where JF's root lie. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
From: VAXman- on 16 Jan 2010 15:03 In article <jollyroger-040D88.11075016012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes: >In article <00cd153f$0$23338$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >> > It seems like you're saying showing hidden files in the Finder is useful >> > as a learning tool, to help someone get familiar with the Unix file >> > system that is normally obscured. I don't recall ever having done that >> > to learn the Unix file system, myself; but whatever gets the job done. >> >> It isn't so much the .hidden files I am after, it is the unix >> directories such as /etc /usr /volumes etc. >> >> This is sort for a crash course for me. It isn't a question of exploring >> the system to learn, it is a question of finding ways to convert all the >> functionality I have on VMS to Unix. So there is a lot to learn ASAP. >> >> So having the easiest tools to find what there is in Unix is very >> useful, and the finder one one such useful tool to look/explore to find >> out where apps , config files etc are located. >> >> Just as an example: on VMS, TFTP files would be located in >> TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[name_of_device] . So, I had to do some research (Mr >> Google is of help here) to find out that by default, they are located in >> /private/tftpboot and that there is no securirty that restrict >> "device1" to the subdirectory "device1" under that root directory. >> >> And yes, /private is one of those directories which are hidden by the >> finder and by the dock. > >I agree that, for someone in your situation, having the ability to show >hidden files in Finder windows would be helpful. What I am afraid of is >that novice users who read these groups getting the mistaken impression >that it's somehow a good idea to show hidden files in Finder windows >always without first understanding the difference. I think the default >should be not to display hidden items. Well, preceding a filename with a dot isn't hiding any file. It's only that applications which display them ('ls' for example) have been coded to NOT show them if . is the first character. Any file with a . can be easily accessed even if it _IS_ "hidden". % mkdir test % cd test % echo "but I can still output its contents..." > .ls-can\'t-see-this % ls % more .ls-can\'t-see-this but I can still output its contents... % -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
From: VAXman- on 16 Jan 2010 15:06
In article <paul.nospam-030073.18320716012010(a)pbook.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.nospam(a)sture.ch> writes: >In article <00af4a33$0$16813$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >> > You claim to be a system administrator, yet you seem to think reliance >> > on the command line is a bad thing, for some reason. I don't get that >> > at all! >> >> Not at all. I come from a VMS background where there were very few GUI >> system administration tools. (I thing DCHP_GUI was the only one). > >Well there was the VMS Management Station stuff... :-) :-) > >(Cue maniacal screams of laughter - this was _not_ Enterprise capable >software) Yeah, Paul... 30+ years of VMS and I never found any reason to use any GUI interface to any system management function. Not even the graphical symbolic debugger and I've never configured the symbolic kernel debugger. The original VMS tools were that good, I'm comfortable with them, and I see no need to en- cumber the results with fanciful colourful displays. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" |