From: Jolly Roger on
In article <150120101743094985%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-86A071.19350715012010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Again, Command-Shift-. is all that is needed to make any standard Mac
> > > > OS
> > > > X file dialog box show hidden files.
> > >
> > > that must be a new definition of 'any.'
> > >
> > > i just tried it in textwrangler, safari, preview, textedit and
> > > terminal, and all it did was beep. leopard 10.5.8.
> >
> > Um, it's a 10.6 feature...
>
> so it's not 'any.'
>
> > Time to upgrade.
>
> no, it's not time to upgrade.

You're such a nit pick. Here:

Again, Command-Shift-. is all that is needed to make any standard Mac OS
X 10.6 file dialog box show hidden files.

Sheesh.

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From: Jolly Roger on
In article <00A979AB.500C7556(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>,
VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-0C8C6D.17183215012010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly
> Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes:
>
> >Most every experienced system manager I know is not put off by the
> >command line. Quite the contrary, they appreciate that in many ways,
> >it's much more efficient than graphical user interfaces.
>
> Familiarity breathes contentment. Put your OSX experienced system manager
> in front of a VMS system and let's see how far he goes. JF is used to the
> command line wherein commands predicate function. For example, if you want
> to search for a string in a file, the command is SEARCH, not grep. If you
> wanted to copy a file it's COPY, not cp; RENAME, not mv; DELETE, no rm. I
> think you could be a little fairer as he tries to understand what seems to
> be a rather cryptic interface for someone coming from a well organized and
> concise system.

It seems like you're saying showing hidden files in the Finder is useful
as a learning tool, to help someone get familiar with the Unix file
system that is normally obscured. I don't recall ever having done that
to learn the Unix file system, myself; but whatever gets the job done.
: )

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From: Barry Margolin on
In article <hipk9n$g60$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> What files does the Mac GUI hide that a Mac GUI user needs to edit?

All files and directories whose names begin with ".". Many of these are
intended to be edited by users.

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From: Barry Margolin on
In article <jollyroger-9F5B1E.21013315012010(a)news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:

> It seems like you're saying showing hidden files in the Finder is useful
> as a learning tool, to help someone get familiar with the Unix file
> system that is normally obscured. I don't recall ever having done that
> to learn the Unix file system, myself; but whatever gets the job done.

I think it should just be easy to toggle displaying hidden files.

Similar to the CLI, you use "ls" to list files normally, and "ls -a" to
include the hidden files.

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From: Barry Margolin on
In article <jollyroger-84F44A.15454915012010(a)news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-181615.02210415012010(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> > In article <hiot4b$a1p$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Barry Margolin wrote:
> > > > What about the dot-files in your home directory? How do you edit your
> > > > .profile if you can't see it? Or if you use SSH, you need to edit your
> > > > ~/.ssh/config file.
> > >
> > > If you can't see .profile, then you're not using Terminal.
> > >
> > > And if you're not using Terminal, why do you need to edit .profile ?
> >
> > Just because you use Terminal for running commands doesn't mean you use
> > it to edit files. It's not actually a problem for me, I use Emacs for
> > text editing. But there are probably people who use TextEdit, BBedit,
> > etc.
>
> IME, most of those individuals aren't very familiar with the command
> line to begin with. It may not be in their best interests to edit such
> configuration files.

If they don't use the CLI, they probably don't have those files to begin
with, since they're usually only created by CLI applications. So
there's not much to not show.

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