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From: T i m on 14 May 2010 07:41 On Fri, 14 May 2010 12:33:44 +0100, Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote: >On 2010-05-14 12:29:27 +0100, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> said: > >> But I would suggested that if that were the case they (probably) >> wouldn't be wanting to play games either? > >Not so - I'm one who won't dual-boot, Ok, that's one (and I didn't suggest there were none. ;-) My point is if you buy a Ferarri you probably didn't do so to go shopping or off-roading. > but was curious about Portal for >instance. I've installed, and also bought Torchlight as I've been >watching a friend play for a while and looked interesting. Ok. > I won't >dual-boot though, far too much faff Is it? I don't find it so, in fact I find it very easy (to both set up and use, even on this Mini). [1] >plus I'd need an extra Windows >license. Just as I would have to buy a Mac and/ or OSX (for say a Hackintosh) if I wanted to play games on that platform (assuming I hadn't already got several etc). Cheers, T i m [1] In fact nearly all my machines dual boot. Typically Win / Linux.
From: T i m on 14 May 2010 07:53 On Fri, 14 May 2010 12:35:19 +0100, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >On 2010-05-14, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>I'd be willing to bet that most people who have Intel Macs *don't* have >>>Windows. Making them go out and buy a second OS just to play games that >>>could run just as well under OSX is...sub-optimal. >> >> But I would suggested that if that were the case they (probably) >> wouldn't be wanting to play games either? > >That seems a rather odd statement. It's me Jim. ;-) What I was thinking is that if you were a 'games player' then you (probably) already have a PC for that and / or consoles. I don't think many kids are currently running Macs who are interested in games and just waiting for the moment they are more available on that platform in it's native form. Of course there are Mac users out there that will *now* maybe give it (say Steam stuff) a go, especially Portal as it's free atm but I don't think that will suddenly make them 'gamers' or the platform any more or less suited than it has been for years. Like, if I want a phone I'd look for what had a rep for working best as a phone. If I wanted a platform for work and didn't want to worry about malware I'd probably buy a Mac. If I like building PC's it will probably have to be an IBM PC clone and if I wanted a PDA/ phone it would probably be the iPhone or Blackberry. And if you have bought a Mac with games in mind I can't see the cost of a Windows licence stop you from doing so. But what do I know ... Cheers, T i m
From: T i m on 14 May 2010 08:01 On Fri, 14 May 2010 12:21:30 +0100, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >That was last night. I've tried again this morning and it offered an >update but after applying it I couldn't connect (Server Busy) so am >installing on Vista on the A300 lappy just to se how it compares (Ok, >2G C2D but still Intel 'mobile' graphics). > Seems fine on the Tosh lappy. Maybe a touch of lag initially when you go through the portals but that seemed to improve. T i m
From: Ian McCall on 14 May 2010 08:01 On 2010-05-14 12:41:49 +0100, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> said: > ..My point is if you buy a Ferarri you probably didn't do so to go > shopping or off-roading. Absolutely - this machine's performance as a games machine wasn't the slightest consideration when I bought it. Still isn't - I'm pleased I have some games to play, but it wouldn't have affected my buying decision. >> I won't >> dual-boot though, far too much faff > > Is it? I don't find it so, in fact I find it very easy (to both set up > and use, even on this Mini). [1] It's easy, it's just a faff. All the apps I have running disappear, I end up with files on one 'machine' and not the other...just don't want it. I do my Windows use through VMware and am happy with it that way. > >> plus I'd need an extra Windows >> license. > > Just as I would have to buy a Mac and/ or OSX (for say a Hackintosh) > if I wanted to play games on that platform (assuming I hadn't already > got several etc). Yes, exactly. If you primarily wanted to run Mac apps, you're best off buying a Mac. If you primarily want to run Windows-targeted apps (including games), you're best off in a full Windows environment - that may or may not be a dual-booted Mac, but I'm happy with the horses-for-courses idea. It may or may not change in the future - personally I doubt the Mac will ever become the premier gaming platform that all the graphic vendors go wild for, but there's always the vaguest possibility I suppose. Situation now though - I agree with you completed: get a real Mac if you're mostly interested in Mac apps, get a 'real' Windows box if you're primarily interested in Windows games. The situation is muddied a bit with virtualisation when it comes to apps where performance doesn't matter, but if you're looking at performant Windows apps with real graphic demands etc. then the proper thing to do is to go to a Windows environment. For me - the games are a nice sideline but nothing I'm basing getting a platform on, so I'm happy they're now available in some form on the Mac whether as perfectly optimised for Windows or not. I'm more interested in the game than in the platform mostly - I have a Wii, PS3, DS, MAME box, pinball machine, iPhone games, Mac games...as you say, you're absolutely best off in whatever environment the thing was originally targeted for, other platforms may do well but they're unlikely to do -quite- as well. I'd guess Mac gaming is in the second category right now, and it's good enough for me. Cheers, Ian
From: T i m on 14 May 2010 08:02
On Fri, 14 May 2010 12:58:26 +0100, me32(a)privacy.net (R) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >> nice hard glass front for cutting up stock > >Is that another word for cocaine? You tell me! ;-) T i m |