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From: BradGuth on 7 Oct 2007 14:40 On Oct 6, 7:03 pm, Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Bottom line I have the investors I need and I'm fixed for projects and > money now. The only reason I'm talking about it at all, is that you > are asking the questions. Recall this started out as a description of > where I thought the solar energy market was going. You really > couldn't say anything against the technical descriptions I've offered, > so you are now going out of your way, after enlisting help from your > buddy here, to attack me personally. haha. comparing me to crooks you > have known and making similar outlandish statements - for no damn good > reason. > > One must wonder what motivates you to do all this. > > This is all due to the fact that you don't want to admit that I'm > right about the costs and limitatoins of direct connect solar to the > power grid? haha.. What a weak person you must be. They only pretend to be weak, just like they pretend to be Atheist. It's mostly about their pro big-energy and big-government semitic/ Yiddish thing, because it's exactly what they do best, just like I'd informed you and others from the very get-go. Of course within that good book of Mook, there's still no such thing as a bad Yid. (go figure) - Brad Guth -
From: BradGuth on 7 Oct 2007 14:47 On Oct 5, 5:11 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:44:49 -0700, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > >On Oct 4, 6:43 pm, John Larkin > ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:25:46 -0700, Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> >I'm putting together a several strings of 1,100 panels. Each string > >> >is4,400ftlong by 8ftwide - wired together at the factory like > >> >Christmas Tree lights. They are transported on a 52' flatbed trailer > >> >z-folded together. > > >> Where will these be installed? Got links? > > >Do you and I smell a rusemaster (aka MIB, spook or mole) that's hard > >at work, or what? > > OK, I take that to mean "no links." > > Why am I not surprised? Why do you so hate humanity and otherwise so disregard our environment? Is it another one of those pesky semitic things, that you folks of big-energy and bigger-government simply can't live without? - Brad Guth -
From: John Larkin on 7 Oct 2007 17:10 On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:05:45 -0700, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 6, 5:08 pm, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:23:42 GMT, Rich Grise <r...(a)example.net> wrote: >> >On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:34:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> >> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:39:10 -0000, Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> >>>Please consider the practical difficulties of taking a variable output >> >>>solar generator that varies its output in response to season, weather >> >>>and time of day operating with Direct Current and connecting that >> >>>source reliably to a grid of Alternating Current loads. When you do >> >>>large-scale intertie studies, something more than charging car >> >>>batteries,then you have diseconomies of scale that suggest $2 per watt >> >>>on the first go round, that over time and with experience will likely >> >>>drop to $0.70 per watt. At these prices your costs rise to $0.06 per >> >>>peak watt and tend toward $0.02 per peak watt. >> >> >> I don't see that. At 0.2 cents per kwh, essentially free, it would >> >> seem easy to dump power into the grid when it was available, >> >> specifically on hot sunny days when a/c loads are at their maximum. >> >> Relatively small peak solar output, say 5% of the relevant grid load, >> >> would be welcome for their fuel savings. Of course, without some >> >> storage mechanism, big percentages are less appealing, but 5% is still >> >> big bucks, especially as you can charge premium pricing for >> >> peak-period power. >> >> >Since we're talking billions and billions of dollars here anyway, how >> >about using hydro dams for storage of excess energy - just run the >> >turbines backwards and pump water back into the reservoir! ;-) >> >> >Cheers! >> >Rich >> >> Neither wind nor solar needs storage to be economically viable. Solar >> in particular complements the usual daily load curve, so its energy >> can be sold at top-dollar peak pricing. >> >> There are places where 20 or even 25% of the total load is furnished >> by essentially unpredictable wind power, and the existing grid (which >> used to handle 100% anyhow) adapts. >> >> The hydrogen thing is just a good way to sink a presumably efficient >> solar power generation concept. > >As is the makings of h2o2, aluminum or even the reverse pumping on >behalf of hydro energy storage. If Willie can generate electricity for 0.2 cents per kwh, primitive storage facilities, even inefficient things like compressed air, would still make it the cheapest electricity source in the world, below US market rates by about 10:1. And yes, one certainly could electrolyze aluminum from ore while the sun shines. Make cement, too. So why isn't it happening? Yid conspiracy? John
From: John Larkin on 7 Oct 2007 17:19 On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:40:35 -0700, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 6, 7:03 pm, Willie.Moo...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> Bottom line I have the investors I need and I'm fixed for projects and >> money now. The only reason I'm talking about it at all, is that you >> are asking the questions. Recall this started out as a description of >> where I thought the solar energy market was going. You really >> couldn't say anything against the technical descriptions I've offered, >> so you are now going out of your way, after enlisting help from your >> buddy here, to attack me personally. haha. comparing me to crooks you >> have known and making similar outlandish statements - for no damn good >> reason. >> >> One must wonder what motivates you to do all this. >> >> This is all due to the fact that you don't want to admit that I'm >> right about the costs and limitatoins of direct connect solar to the >> power grid? haha.. What a weak person you must be. > >They only pretend to be weak, just like they pretend to be Atheist. > >It's mostly about their pro big-energy and big-government semitic/ >Yiddish thing, Hey, I bet it was a Jewish _girl_ that beat you up. John
From: Willie.Mookie on 7 Oct 2007 18:23
While its true megawatts will be direct connected at some point, the order of battle must take into account economies of scale as well as diseconomies of scale. And when that happens you find you need about $2 billion for your first solar panel plant to get the $0.07 per peak watt. At that point you need something that can throw off $2 billion profit today and absorb your entire output for a while. And one thing that does that is a coal liquefaction plant that strands coal to about 4 GW of coal fired capacity and and then converts the stranded coal to gasoline. That's what I'm doing. I don't even have to sell one solar panel. Once the factory is up and running, and fulfilling demand for panels at company owned fuel facilities, I can begin supplying direct connect systems where most appropriate. |