From: Brian M. Scott on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:50 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
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> On Feb 23, 12:52�am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote:

>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:32:03 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote in
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>> in
>> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english:

>>> On Feb 22, 10:55�pm, "Brian M. Scott"
>>> <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote:

>> [...]

>>>> I can't imagine why you think that I'd change my mind. �As
>>>> far as I'm concerned, DST has no disadvantages at any time
>>>> of year in any climate at any latitude. �In winter at higher
>>>> latitudes its advantages are minimal, but it still has no
>>>> disadvantages. �I couldn't care less how dark it is in the
>>>> morning; it's in the afternoon and evening that I want the
>>>> benefit of as much daylight as possible.

>>> The point is that the kiddies shouldn't go off to school
>>> in the dark.

>> I hadn't noticed that DST would make much difference to that
>> in many of the places that I've lived.

> Who was it said "I couldn't care less how dark it is in the morning"?

I did. So? 'Morning' covers rather a lot, and the fact
remains that at the time of day that kids are going to
school, DST doesn't necessarily make a great deal of
difference in the amount of daylight.
From: Brian M. Scott on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:19:21 +1300, PaulJK
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> Brian M. Scott wrote:

>> R H Draney wrote:

>> [...]

>>> If you want a crank, find the person who came up with
>>> Daylight Saving Time....

>>> Then find his successor who decided that DST should apply
>>> for more of the year than "Standard" time....r

>> I like DST; my only objection is that we don't have it all
>> year round.

> I would prefer if every 24 hour day was made longer by one
> hour, i.e. 25 hours long. [...]

I'm not sure that 25 hours would be quite long enough.

Brian
From: sjdevnull on
On Feb 23, 9:36 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> On 2/23/2010 8:39 AM, sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 23, 6:19 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net>  wrote:
> >> Dunno about the rest of the world, but in the US court-ordered busing
> >> has most kids riding the bus to school anyway
>
> > Court-ordered busing never affected a substantial fraction of US
> > school children (it peaked at below 5%, IIRC) and since 1980 or so has
> > been very limited.  Post-2000, it's headed toward extinction.
>
> In what jurisdiction has it been discontinued?

Most of them.

See, e.g., http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/11/us/by-court-order-busing-ends-where-it-began.html?pagewanted=1
"CHARLOTTE, N.C., Sept. 10— The school system that pioneered busing
for desegregation three decades ago was ordered today to halt the
program by a Federal judge who ruled that forced integration was no
longer necessary because all vestiges of intentional discrimination
had disappeared."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-52114978.html
"DAYTON, Ohio (AP) _ A federal judge lifted a desegregation order
Monday after the city agreed to spend at least $30 million to improve
public schools, ending more than 25 years of cross-town busing
designed to achieve racial balance in the schools."
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1999/03/delaney.busing.mar18/
"Court-ordered busing ended in Boston in 1987."

Feel free to Google more.

From: Brian M. Scott on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:16:59 +0000, Ant�nio Marques
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> Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 11:39):

>> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote:

>>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than
>>>>> once (it's linked to somewhere in this thread) that
>>>>> fixing Easter to a particular week would be
>>>>> acceptable.

>> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation
>> of "Roman Catholic".)

>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific
>>>> organization) hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for
>>>> nearly half a millennium.

>>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to
>>> exactly one organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend
>>> otherwise. Also, it's been longer than half a
>>> millennium if one includes the East.

>> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church",
>> and the "Polish National Catholic Church" are
>> independent of each other.

>> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority
>> but I don't think they describe themselves as "Roman
>> Catholic".

> Gad, not again! You're trolling, aren't you?

> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION.
> ANYWHERE.

It and RC are, however, widely used popular designations.

> In the tradition from which the Roman and the Greek
> Churches come, the Church has no splitting qualifiers.

But this isn't really relevant outside that tradition.

[...]

> From the Church's point of view, there aren't multiple
> churches.

But from an external point of view there very obviously are.

[...]

> When someone mentions 'catholics', it's not to eastern
> orthodox, old or polish catholics that they are refering
> to.

I have personally heard counterexamples to this assertion,
though I grant that they are rare.

[...]

> but it *is* accurate to say that the ECC are 'non-Latin
> CC', even if it's somewhat unwieldy.

Which in a widely used popular terminology becomes 'Catholic
but not Roman Catholic'.

Brian
From: António Marques on
jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote (23-02-2010 15:44):
> In sci.physics Andrew Usher<k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I chose the Christian holidays because they are international,
>>>>>
>>>>> ???
>>>>
>>>> They're more so than any other holidays, are they not?
>>>
>>> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh
>>> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian
>>> holidays.
>>
>> Well, yes, but not _more people_.
>>
>> Andrew Usher
>
> With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT
> more people.

Don't they celebrate it on a different date?