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From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 19:07 Hatunen wrote (23-02-2010 22:47): > I believe that a great many of the churches which once split away > from the church of Rome considered themselves the true catholic > chuch. > > Certainly the Anglicans do. The Anglican covenant says, > > "(1.1.1) its communion in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic > Church, worshipping the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy > Spirit." Of course they do. But when it comes to self-identify, only one church on this planet consistenty refers to itself simply as 'the Catholic Church' (it also uses other names, namely 'the Church', and where pragmatism requires 'the Roman Catholic Church' - but the 'Roman' adds nothing, unlike 'Old' or 'Polish National' - the RC doesn't see any added value in Roman, it doesn't contribute to the meaning with anything that wasn't there before). Besides, until recently, no other church lived for a universal ('catholic') vocation. Sure, many of them did have one, but not as a central structuring element. Notice the RC was never 'the Italian Church' even when popes were italian for centuries long.
From: Brian M. Scott on 23 Feb 2010 19:19 António Marques wrote: > Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 20:02): >> On 2010-02-23, António Marques wrote: [...] >>> From the Church's point of view, there aren't >>> multiple churches. There's only one. To say that >>> there is more than one church is heresy. It's not a >>> matter of wishing to be the only one, it's a >>> religious matter. The multiplicity of churches is >>> anathema and downright sin. >> Well, they would say that, wouldn't they... > It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is > universal and Christ did found one Church, or it isn't. It's by no means clear that the historical figure actually founded *any* church, but even supposing that he did, there's no reason to think that its message is universal. > To endorse the idea of multiple churches is like > endorsing the idea of apartheid. Hardly; it's more a matter of 'whatever floats your boat'. [...] Brian
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:21 Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > The word 'Christendom', which you used, would normally be taken to > > include the Eastern Orthodox. One wonders why you wouldn't. > > They are among the many churches for which the Roman Catholic Church > (which may have been what you meant by "the Catholic Church"?) does > not speak. Non sequitur. > > > Are you by any chance one of those crackpots who want the Mass > > > peformed in Latin, who think Jesus decreed that clergy be celibate, > > > and the congeries of heterodox beliefs that go along with those two? > > > > I don't believe in Jesus. But if I did, I might well be one of those, > > as religion if it were true could not be suffered to modernise in the > > way you leftists want. > > If you're not even a Christian, why the hell are you structuring your > calendar around the Roman Catholic church? 1. There's no other equally universal set of reference points. 2. Why does what I personally believe have to do with what's the best calendar? Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:32 j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh > >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian > >> holidays. > > > > Well, yes, but not _more people_. > > > > Andrew Usher > > With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT > more people. New Year is not among the holidays Kirshenbaum mentioned. I exclude it from my consideration as by its nature it can't be fixed to a particular day of the week. Andrew Usher
From: Andrew Usher on 23 Feb 2010 19:35
j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> I suspect that you could find people celebrating Pesach, Purim, Rosh > >> Hashanah, and Yom Kippur in as many countries as any four Christian > >> holidays. > > > > Well, yes, but not _more people_. > > > > Andrew Usher > > With roughly 1.3 billion Chinese alone, New Years is celebrated by a LOT > more people. New Year is not among the holidays Kirshenbaum mentioned. I exclude it from my consideration as by its nature it can't be fixed to a particular day of the week. Andrew Usher |