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From: Skitt on 23 Feb 2010 13:57 Brian M. Scott wrote: > Skitt wrote: >> PaulJK wrote: >>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer > >> forward > > That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it > does depends on one's point of view. Deciding whether a clock runs forward or backward, you mean? -- Skitt (AmE)
From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 14:02 Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 18:48): > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:39:35 +0000, António Marques > <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in > <news:hm13st$kct$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >> Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 16:56): > >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:16:59 +0000, António Marques >>> <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote in >>> <news:hm0kgg$548$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in >>> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >>>> Adam Funk wrote (23-02-2010 11:39): > >>>>> On 2010-02-23, Andrew Usher wrote: > >>>>>>>> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than >>>>>>>> once (it's linked to somewhere in this thread) that >>>>>>>> fixing Easter to a particular week would be >>>>>>>> acceptable. > >>>>> ("Catholic" is a commonly used but imprecise abbreviation >>>>> of "Roman Catholic".) > >>>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > >>>>>>> "The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific >>>>>>> organization) hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for >>>>>>> nearly half a millennium. > >>>>>> 'The Catholic Church' or simply 'The Church' refers to >>>>>> exactly one organisation. It's disingenuous to pretend >>>>>> otherwise. Also, it's been longer than half a >>>>>> millennium if one includes the East. > >>>>> The "Roman Catholic Church", the "Old Catholic Church", >>>>> and the "Polish National Catholic Church" are >>>>> independent of each other. > >>>>> The "Eastern Catholic Churches" are under papal authority >>>>> but I don't think they describe themselves as "Roman >>>>> Catholic". > >>>> Gad, not again! You're trolling, aren't you? > >>>> "Roman Catholic" ISN'T AN OFFICIAL SELF-DESIGNATION. >>>> ANYWHERE. > >>> It and RC are, however, widely used popular designations. > >> Indeed, but what relevance does that have when trying to >> ascertain what the precise terminology is? > > It's not apparent that any particular notion of precise > terminology is relevant to Peter's deliberate > misunderstanding and the subsequent comments thereon. I was, however, merely addressing Adam's remark below which I commented. It referred to how the ECC describe themselves. Had it referred to how some or many may describe the ECC, I probably wouldn't have commented at all. > [...] > >>>> but it *is* accurate to say that the ECC are 'non-Latin >>>> CC', even if it's somewhat unwieldy. > >>> Which in a widely used popular terminology becomes 'Catholic >>> but not Roman Catholic'. > >> In widely used popular terminologies spiders are insects, >> Cycadaceae are palms and the moon is made of mozzarella. > > Not comparable. 'Catholic but not Roman Catholic' actually > does identify the churches in question. I disagree. If anything, 'Catholic but not Roman Catholic' might more easily refer to the old catholics or polish national catholics. 'Insect' at least refers to a trait that spiders share.
From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 14:09 Brian M. Scott wrote (23-02-2010 18:50): > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:41:20 -0800, Skitt > <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote in > <news:hm17gp$89l$1(a)news.albasani.net> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > >> PaulJK wrote: > >>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer > >> forward > > That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it > does depends on one's point of view. Back in my college days, a friend of mine used to refer to the guys that entered college in the year after us as 'the guys from the year before us'. It was 'the year before' because at any given time they were attending the classes we had attended 'the year before'. Or they 'before' (closer to the origin) our point on the time axis.
From: António Marques on 23 Feb 2010 14:14 Yusuf B Gursey wrote (23-02-2010 18:51): > On Feb 23, 1:39 pm, Yusuf B Gursey<y...(a)theworld.com> wrote: >> On Feb 23, 1:19 pm, António Marques<antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote: >>> What I wonder is - are there 'old' latin-rite communities there alongside >>> 'modern' ones (western migrants), or do they all mingle? It would be a >>> tiny-minority within a tiny minority. >> >> well, I assume they would go to the same churches. in the main holy >> places Latin is used when Catholics have their turn. > > and all of the Catholics are partial to the French-run schools. I've been wondering: how do the maronites pronounce their french names, and how does Jumblatt have a german-sounding name? And what does Nasrallah (I presume something to do with God) mean and who gets to use it?
From: Brian M. Scott on 23 Feb 2010 14:18
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:57:11 -0800, Skitt <skitt99(a)comcast.net> wrote in <news:hm18ef$9gh$1(a)news.albasani.net> in sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > Brian M. Scott wrote: >> Skitt wrote: >>> PaulJK wrote: >>>> We invented DST to set clocks back one hour in summer >>> forward >> That's the usual terminology, at least in the U.S., but it >> does depends on one's point of view. > Deciding whether a clock runs forward or backward, you mean? No. When you push the time from (say) 10 to 11, you can see this as pushing it away from you, just as you might push an opponent back. When you let it go from 11 to 10, you're then letting it approach you, i.e., come forward. Brian |