From: Woody on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid>:
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >> > And now I actually look, there is also a large XML file that indicates
> >> > which files are in which album, so there is no metadata lost if you lost
> >> > the application.
> >>
> >> You're wrong, of course.
> >>
> >> Since that XML file isn't remotely useful to any normal person without
> >> Aperture, the data is in reality lost for any normal person if Aperture
> >> goes.
> >
> > I don't know XML, but as a human (allegedly) person I can read an XML
> > file and make some sense of it. That's one of the nice things about XML.
>
> In general I agree, but try unzipping a .docx file and having a look
> at the XML that gives you. Yes, you can read it. No, you wouldn't
> really want to.

This is true, but the xml within a iPhoto library constitutes 'obvious'
(in that any reasonably computer litterate person who would know what an
xml file was could work it out).

All it gives you is the grouping of events to photos and the people to
photos info. It does give you the dates as well, although as that is
already contained in the filing system and exif it isn't required.



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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net> wrote:

> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> > J. J. Lodder <nospam(a)de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > Well, no it doesn't. No UI, no nothing. The only response I've ever
> > > > had from GraphicConverter when trying to TWAIN acquire - is crashing.
> > >
> > > Any TWAIN-compatible one, which they all are nowadays.
> >
> > Yes, but there may not be a TWAIN driver (is that the right word?) that
> > works with 10.6.2.
>
> Just had another thought. The old TWAIN driver may well work if Graphic
> Converter is run in 32-bit mode rather than the default 64-bit mode.

.... but if it's a PPC driver ... ?

> Though if Rowland's *only* response from GC was crashing, and that is
> meant to mean even before Snow Leopard, then there is probably something
> wrong with his system.

There is firm evidence that is not case and that it's a bug in Graphic
Converter.

I've had the same response when running GC to scan using the same
scanner - but a previous version of GC running on a 2G4 and a 4G5,
neither using an OS beyond 10.4.11.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
>
> > Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid>:
> > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > >> > And now I actually look, there is also a large XML file that
> > >> > indicates which files are in which album, so there is no metadata
> > >> > lost if you lost the application.
> > >>
> > >> You're wrong, of course.
> > >>
> > >> Since that XML file isn't remotely useful to any normal person without
> > >> Aperture, the data is in reality lost for any normal person if Aperture
> > >> goes.
> > >
> > > I don't know XML, but as a human (allegedly) person I can read an XML
> > > file and make some sense of it. That's one of the nice things about XML.

I've looked - that claim is purest bullshit. XML stinks and humans like
me can't work out what's what inside an XML file.

If I'd had the training course, maybe then.

> > In general I agree, but try unzipping a .docx file and having a look
> > at the XML that gives you. Yes, you can read it. No, you wouldn't
> > really want to.
>
> This is true, but the xml within a iPhoto library constitutes 'obvious'
> (in that any reasonably computer litterate person who would know what an
> xml file was could work it out).

That just means you're setting the scene to permit you to sneer at those
who lack the high degree of expertise required.

Rather pointless having a human-readable version of something like that
when you've got tens of thousands of items to re-index - unless you're
the sort of masochist who enjoys reclaiming data from computer problems.

I'd much rather keep a card file index myself - much safer, much more
reliable. The only computer database I'd trust is one that was run by a
properly managed computer department that looked after backups and so on
for me.

[snip]

Rowland.

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From: Geoff Berrow on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:58:18 +0000,
real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:

>I've looked - that claim is purest bullshit. XML stinks and humans like
>me can't work out what's what inside an XML file.

It is at least plain text but some XML files can be quite complex and
ar only designed to be machine read.
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From: Woody on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid>:
> > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> > And now I actually look, there is also a large XML file that
> > > >> > indicates which files are in which album, so there is no metadata
> > > >> > lost if you lost the application.
> > > >>
> > > >> You're wrong, of course.
> > > >>
> > > >> Since that XML file isn't remotely useful to any normal person without
> > > >> Aperture, the data is in reality lost for any normal person if Aperture
> > > >> goes.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know XML, but as a human (allegedly) person I can read an XML
> > > > file and make some sense of it. That's one of the nice things about XML.
>
> I've looked - that claim is purest bullshit. XML stinks and humans like
> me can't work out what's what inside an XML file.

Maybe humans like you can't, but a lot of other humans can. It makes
more sense to me than a latex file, as it has an obvious structure. That
was true the first time I saw both formats.

> If I'd had the training course, maybe then.

Maybe, I think the majority of computer literate people who could work
out simple formats wouldn't have too much of an issue with it

> > > In general I agree, but try unzipping a .docx file and having a look
> > > at the XML that gives you. Yes, you can read it. No, you wouldn't
> > > really want to.
> >
> > This is true, but the xml within a iPhoto library constitutes 'obvious'
> > (in that any reasonably computer litterate person who would know what an
> > xml file was could work it out).
>
> That just means you're setting the scene to permit you to sneer at those
> who lack the high degree of expertise required.

No it doesn't. That means exactly what it says.

> Rather pointless having a human-readable version of something like that
> when you've got tens of thousands of items to re-index - unless you're
> the sort of masochist who enjoys reclaiming data from computer problems.

hardly. You could ask on a forum and there would be any number of people
that could turn it into somehting useful for you

> I'd much rather keep a card file index myself - much safer, much more
> reliable. The only computer database I'd trust is one that was run by a
> properly managed computer department that looked after backups and so on
> for me.

Why is that more useful way of indexing 10s of thousands of items?

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