Thoughts are objects, mind and brain are identical
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From: chibiabos on 23 Jun 2010 08:17 In article <nbbo169jtfo3svklhfa4edto6vgsgc6o2e(a)4ax.com>, raven1 <quoththeraven(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist > <reanimater_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >The study of philosophy not only helps us to think > >clearly about our prejudices, but also helps to clarify precisely what > >we do believe. In the process it develops an ability to argue > >coherently > > Re-read that. Several times. With emphasis on the last word. In my experience, philosophers are a lot like psychiatrists; they wouldn't go into the field if they didn't already have some deep-seated neuroses they were trying to overcome. -chib -- Member of S.M.A.S.H. Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
From: chibiabos on 27 Jun 2010 22:35
In article <6e2812ef-75c6-4704-8f30-3dc3e6d37f82(a)a39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Immortalist <reanimater_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 17, 7:08�pm, chibiabos <c...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > In article > > <cd3050b7-d36c-41b0-bfb6-34937c68e...(a)s6g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 15, 6:45 pm, chibiabos <c...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <cb98da81-4358-45a7-a9c5-143f7ff38...(a)y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Immortalista <extro...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > One form of materialism is the view that mental states are identical > > > > > with brain states. To have a certain kind of mental state is the same > > > > > thing as having a certain type of brain state. To think a certain sort > > > > > of thought is to have a certain sort of thing happen in the brain. To > > > > > feel pain is to have another sort of thing happen in the brain. To > > > > > wish for good weather is to have another sort of thing happen in the > > > > > brain. This theory is called the mind-brain identity theory. > > > > > > > Persons And Their World: An Introduction to Philosophy - Jeffrey Olen > > > > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0075543117/ > > > > > > > Mental states are objects, like tables or chairs. They are events, > > > > > like the kicking of a football. Thinking is a mental state, an object. > > > > > So are wishing and hoping and dreaming objects if objects are just > > > > > events. These are all mental events, things that we do. Therefore > > > > > there are such "objects" as thoughts, wishes, hopes,, or images. > > > > > > > What is the difference between an event and an object? No difference > > > > > because all known objects are events based upon interactive processes. > > > > > (Nominalism) An event is a happening, an occurrence. It is what > > > > > objects do, what happens to objects. Take, for example, the event of > > > > > kicking a football. If I kick a football, there are only two objects > > > > > involved-me and the ball. There is also the event of my kicking the > > > > > ball, but that event is not a third object True, we sometimes talk as > > > > > though there were such objects as kicks. We say that someone made a > > > > > good kick, or that a kick saved a game, or that a field-goal kicker > > > > > made five kicks during a game. But that is just a manner of speaking. > > > > > There are no such objects as kicks. > > > > > > > Similarly, there are such objects as handshakes. If I shake a friend's > > > > > hand, the objects involved are my hand and my friend's hand. We can > > > > > talk as though there were a third thing. We can say, for example, that > > > > > I gave my friend a firm handshake, which is really like giving someone > > > > > a firm container. To give a firm handshake is to shake hands firmly. > > > > > That is, there is only the event of shaking hands, but no such object > > > > > as a handshake. Shaking hands is something we do. > > > > > > Fritz Perls much? > > > > > No, but I pay a lot attention to Evolutionary Psychology and ways to > > > philosophize about it. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology > > > > What you do is not philosophy. It is cerebral flatulence. > > > > The truth of your claim is not determinable with the evidence you > provided. I did not provide any evidence. You had the good grace to do that all by yourself. -chib -- Member of S.M.A.S.H. Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor |