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From: Sherlock on 15 Nov 2005 07:25 Johel, Just on the GOOGLE thing. For those looking for a replacement for Outlook Express for Newsgroups get onto Google newsgroups.. fantastic. Full search back up to 8 years.. webbased so you use it at home and office and catchup exactly where you left off.. creat your own newsgroups in 5 minutes flat.. search, sort, etc etc.. Superb... and your right no Microsoft to be seen.
From: @je on 15 Nov 2005 16:19 Will, I'm not taking shots, I'm just responding to some disturbing news we hear here. As many have tried to explain to Brian there should be an alternative to the expensive VOPS program. Being locked out of VOPS I even more aware of that. Trying to convince him of that would be for the better of VO. Ed "Will Chapman" <nbquidditchjunk(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:gYednXlIpcO3W-TeRVnyrA(a)pipex.net... > @je wrote: >> Hi Will, >> Maybe I always had that disease, but I never showed it in public. I've >> always been very loyal towards VO and it's development team. I've >> always discussed issues inprivate. This is no longer the case. I >> think I'm just being honest and I do not see what I should be careful >> about? Can't I be honest and ask the questions that are on my mind? > > Ed > > Of course we should be able to ask questions. Its only healthy. What > I detect though, in some posts, are shades of personal animosity > creeping through. I can understand that you and Geoff are a bit miffed > at being dumped from VOPS but that is nothing to do with this forum > and, as such, I believe you should resist the temptation to make 'points'. > > It has often been said that one of the great strengths of VO is this ng > and > it would be a shame if it degenerates into a continual slanging match. We > all > know VO is not perfect and probably never will be but to my mind its > future will not be served if we keep taking shots at Grafx. Let's let them > get on with their plan without sniping from the side-lines. > > Cheers.... > > Will Chapman >
From: Johel on 15 Nov 2005 23:25 Sherlock, > Superb... and your right no Microsoft to be seen. As always, I did my research and got some facts before going public. You can read it if you want... -------------------------------------- Brazil: The spirit of community The Brazilian government may distribute 1 million laptops running open-source software to local schools. In January, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology launched a project to build low-cost Linux-based laptops for the developing world. The Brazilian government is considering building 2 million of these laptops, half of which will be distributed to local schools, and is investigating the finances of the scheme. Open-source software has been deployed by the federal, state and city governments in Brazil, although the states and cities have been more progressive, according to Ronaldo Lemos, the director of the Centre for Technology &: Society at the Fundacao Getulio Vargas law school in Brazil, which recently advised Brazilian government on the its open-source strategy. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5952039.html -------------------------------------- Open source: Developing markets look for alternatives to U.S. The results, even after software price discounts, indicated that the cost of proprietary software for developing markets is "enormous" in terms of relative purchasing power. The price of Microsoft's Windows XP and Office XP on Amazon.com in the U.S. is equal to almost three months of GDP per capita in South Africa, and more than 16 months of GDP per capita in Vietnam. This is equivalent to charging a single-user license fee in the U.S. of $7,541 and $48,011 respectively. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5951509.html --------------------------------------- PalmSource acquisition finalized Access--a maker of software for mobile devices--said it wants to finish creating the Linux-Palm operating system hybrid that PalmSource started when it finalized its acquisition of China MobileSoft this year. There are more than 39 million Palm-powered devices made by Palm and more than 40 other manufacturers, including Japan's Sony and Kyocera, and South Korea's Samsung Electronics, according to company estimates. Earlier in the day, PalmSource said it is now a founding member of the Linux Phone Standards (Lips) Forum, whose goal is to spread Linux to more mobile devices. The consortium established this week includes the likes of France Telecom/Orange, FSM Labs, Huawei, Jaluna, MontaVista Software, MIZI Research, Open Plug, Arm, Cellon and Esmertec. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5952438.html ------------------------------------------- As you can see, a Windows-only tool (no matter how good it is) is not an option for me anymore. Regards, Johel
From: Will Chapman on 16 Nov 2005 09:46 "@je" <Ed_REM_(a)Software_REM_Objectives.com.au> wrote in message news:437a4fe5$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > Will, > I'm not taking shots, I'm just responding to some disturbing news we hear > here. Sorry, I didn't mean to blame you for the flavor of some of the posts that Geoff has made. >As many have tried to explain to Brian there should be an alternative to >the expensive VOPS program. Being locked out of VOPS I even more aware of >that. Trying to convince him of that would be for the better of VO. > You are preaching to the converted there. At the very beginning of the launch of VOPS I was amongst those championing the same idea (that there should be a less expensive way to support VO and participate in "beta's" and get early access to the latest 'fixes'). My concern is that in many recent posts, the language has been more akin to a state of war than a phase of persuasive diplomacy. Cheers.. Will Chapman > Ed > > "Will Chapman" <nbquidditchjunk(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message > news:gYednXlIpcO3W-TeRVnyrA(a)pipex.net... >> @je wrote: >>> Hi Will, >>> Maybe I always had that disease, but I never showed it in public. I've >>> always been very loyal towards VO and it's development team. I've >>> always discussed issues inprivate. This is no longer the case. I >>> think I'm just being honest and I do not see what I should be careful >>> about? Can't I be honest and ask the questions that are on my mind? >> >> Ed >> >> Of course we should be able to ask questions. Its only healthy. What >> I detect though, in some posts, are shades of personal animosity >> creeping through. I can understand that you and Geoff are a bit miffed >> at being dumped from VOPS but that is nothing to do with this forum >> and, as such, I believe you should resist the temptation to make >> 'points'. >> >> It has often been said that one of the great strengths of VO is this ng >> and >> it would be a shame if it degenerates into a continual slanging match. We >> all >> know VO is not perfect and probably never will be but to my mind its >> future will not be served if we keep taking shots at Grafx. Let's let >> them >> get on with their plan without sniping from the side-lines. >> >> Cheers.... >> >> Will Chapman >> > >
From: Johel on 17 Nov 2005 19:14
Ginny, > I think if I were running Grafx (and all of us like telling Brian how to run > Grafx from time to time <g>) I'd even consider only selling VO and Vulcan > with an included VOPS-type service. That's what I do with my customers and > it's a win-win scenario that makes everybody happy. My competitors all do > the same, and it makes sense for a small company. And then you would close the market for Vulcan in the rest of the World (excluding West Europe and Australia). You sure do not have customers outside of USA and Canada, do you? If you did not understand it, then read this: -------------------------------------- Open source: Developing markets look for alternatives to U.S. The results, even after software price discounts, indicated that the cost of proprietary software for developing markets is "enormous" in terms of relative purchasing power. The price of Microsoft's Windows XP and Office XP on Amazon.com in the U.S. is equal to almost three months of GDP per capita in South Africa, and more than 16 months of GDP per capita in Vietnam. This is equivalent to charging a single-user license fee in the U.S. of $7,541 and $48,011 respectively. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5951509.html -------------------------------------- Regards, Johel |