Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8 - yeah right....
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From: Don Caton on 25 Sep 2006 09:11 "Craig Dawson" <craig(a)control.nospam.net.au> wrote in message news:4517c40d$0$63035$c30e37c6(a)ken-reader.news.telstra.net: > This is bound to get someone(s) back up... I am disgusted and appalled at the lack of common decency some people seem to have for another human being in this forum. Do you treat every human being you disagree with with such venom and hatred? Is this how you raise your children, to make personal attacks against another human being with whom you have a simple business disagreement? Would you be proud if your child, spouse, parent, friend, minister, etc. read your post? It's not like Brian broke into your home, raped your wife and killed your children, yet a few of you guys seem to have no problem posting hateful, venomous comments towards another person that some of you have never even met. You should be ashamed of yourselves. How would you feel if you, or a member of your family was treated this way? I've known Brian for a long time, way before I ever had any business dealings with him. And I can't recall ever having heard him say anything nasty or negative towards another person. Brian is just a guy like the rest of us, with a wife and kids and feelings like any other human being has. Why don't you put yourself the in other person's place for a moment and imagine how you would feel if you had these hurtful, hate filled messages directed towards you? We all become enraged at times, and maybe your post is not indicative of the person that you really are, in which case an apology might be in order. Otherwise, if disagree with the way Brian does business, and are incapable of expressing your views without making personal attacks, then please leave the rest of us to conduct our business in a civilized, professional manner. I know you only posted one message and there are a small few who have done much, much worse, but this is the one that broke the camel's back. To everyone else... The only way this forum is going to be restored to a place of civility and professionalism, is to not respond to those who continue to post personal attacks towards other people. -- Don Caton Vulcan.NET Development
From: Jamal on 25 Sep 2006 15:47 Don, There is no doubt that some on this NG have lost it all due to the constant barrage of negative posts by the evil doers who have turned this NG into what is right now, a tool to spread their evil hate, smear campaign and agenda. It's really a shame! Without Grafx and Brian's commitment to VO, it would have been dead long time ago. Without VOPS and the support of "real professionals" in the VO community there would be no VO 2.8 and there would be no Vulcan. VOPS has proven to be a real value to me and the produts that I sell and support. This is why I will continue my support of Grafx undeterred by the barking of the evil doers who have nothing else to do. Jamal "Don Caton" <dcaton(a)shorelinesoftware.com> wrote in message news:q4ydnf45VOUSSIrYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > "Craig Dawson" <craig(a)control.nospam.net.au> wrote in message > news:4517c40d$0$63035$c30e37c6(a)ken-reader.news.telstra.net: > >> This is bound to get someone(s) back up... > > I am disgusted and appalled at the lack of common decency some people seem > to have for another human being in this forum. > > Do you treat every human being you disagree with with such venom and > hatred? Is this how you raise your children, to make personal attacks > against another human being with whom you have a simple business > disagreement? Would you be proud if your child, spouse, parent, friend, > minister, etc. read your post? > > It's not like Brian broke into your home, raped your wife and killed your > children, yet a few of you guys seem to have no problem posting hateful, > venomous comments towards another person that some of you have never even > met. You should be ashamed of yourselves. How would you feel if you, or > a member of your family was treated this way? > > I've known Brian for a long time, way before I ever had any business > dealings with him. And I can't recall ever having heard him say anything > nasty or negative towards another person. Brian is just a guy like the > rest of us, with a wife and kids and feelings like any other human being > has. Why don't you put yourself the in other person's place for a moment > and imagine how you would feel if you had these hurtful, hate filled > messages directed towards you? > > We all become enraged at times, and maybe your post is not indicative of > the person that you really are, in which case an apology might be in > order. Otherwise, if disagree with the way Brian does business, and are > incapable of expressing your views without making personal attacks, then > please leave the rest of us to conduct our business in a civilized, > professional manner. > > I know you only posted one message and there are a small few who have done > much, much worse, but this is the one that broke the camel's back. > > To everyone else... > > The only way this forum is going to be restored to a place of civility and > professionalism, is to not respond to those who continue to post personal > attacks towards other people. > > -- > Don Caton > Vulcan.NET Development > >
From: Chris Pyrgas on 25 Sep 2006 16:08 Craig, That was really disappointing to read. I can understand someone disagreeing, being upset or frustrated with someone else, but using such personal insults in public is another story. I would never use such words even for my worst enemy in the world... just FWIW, Chris
From: Meinhard Schnoor-Matriciani on 25 Sep 2006 11:43 Hi Don, 100% agreed. Regards, Meinhard
From: Geoff Schaller on 25 Sep 2006 18:42
Don, > Do you treat every human being you disagree with with such venom and > hatred? Is this how you raise your children, to make personal attacks Please, take a valium and then respond again. Although Craig's post is possibly a little over the top, you totally misread things when you talk of venom and hatred. It just isn't like that. What you should be hearing loud and clear is serious disappointment and frustration. Craig doesn't 'hate' Brian any more than I do. Neither of us 'hate' anyone (I think <g>). Hate is the wrong word and implies too much. I wish you guys wouldn't put such emotional force behind words. Perhaps what you are missing here is that Craig is expressing a loss of a sense of community. VO was much more than just another dev environment, it is a community and it is sad when anything diminishes that. Unfortunately, Brian has taken us down that path and the loss of community and resources hits the smaller players and contractors harder than others. And they feel it quite emotionally. VOPS only weakens the sense of community further. This is what it is about. Frustration and disappointment, not venom and hatred. Disappointed that our precious community is diminishing and frustrated that we can't do anything about it. Please think on this. Regards, Geoff |