Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8 - yeah right....
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From: Graham McKechnie on 26 Sep 2006 18:48 Geoff, > Wouldn't it have been better for Phil to say nothing? Yeh, but most of what uncle Phil's says amounts to nothing. Takes him all day, just to count his million lines of code. Better add a <g> - there's no humour up here any more. Graham "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message news:4519a671$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > Just a pity it was so flawed in itself, eh? > Wouldn't it have been better for Phil to say nothing? > > "Will Chapman" <nbquidditch"@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message > news:F4GdnY4oJJIEzITYnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d(a)pipex.net: > >> Sherlock wrote: >> >> Phil >> >> Brilliant response to an irresponsible, inane, and utterly inaccurate >> and indefensible post. >> >> Cheers.. >> >> Will Chapman >
From: Rene J. Pajaron on 26 Sep 2006 20:25 Ginny, My impression is that "they" are "converting" huge VO-coded accounting system (not a simple VO scather/gather/printing sort of applications) to C#. I have C#, and my VO won't matter having them here <g>. But have no commercial commitment so far for C#. Well, clients dont care much what language. So, whats the big fuss? Care to figure line-by-line conversion for the sake of all the insane and "not-so-smart" VOers here, brainwashed to the max by grafx praising "dead" VO..... Bringing back Lazarus.... thats VO. Rene Ayon kay Ginny Caughey: > Rene, > > > I am also considerting porting my VO code to .Net, hence Vulcan is big > > shot for me. However, with lots of noise with VO developers moving > > huge VO-coded accounting system to C#: > > Actually the noise makers aren't moving VO code to .NET at all! They are > writing new apps in C#, which some of them like Geoff just discovered. <g> > I've been writing new apps in C# for a number of years now, but I'll be > moving my big VO apps to .NET when Vulcan is ready. > > Ginny
From: "Marshall Rhinehart" mrhp on 26 Sep 2006 20:45 Joe, I agree with your post... I'm providing some background to explain why I may see things a little differently. My 'day job' is doing datawarehouses for health care (hospitals). The 'client' is written in C#. Most of my commercial apps in VO, I am letting 'die' with the current customer base (my choice, not so much related to VO). My biggest concern related to VO is a rather large project that I've invested many thousands of hours, that I believe has a significant chance in the market, but I can't see getting the time to rewrite it in C#. The two or three things that I see that are lacking in VO, is the ability to quickly integrate the huge base of code that is available in C#. I needed a 'charting' solution yesterday, and overnight I was able to have Zedgraph working.... (just an example). Secondly, in the client, worker threads are important. Yes, I've done this in VO, but all of this is documented much better in C#. Also, the new app has a few features relevant to hand held devices. Granted, you can work around these things to a point.... but the market for all software moves. I see almost all users becoming more sophisticated in what they are comfortable with. To keep up with these changes, I think you need to use the best tool available. How you answer that question is up to you. Marshall >I develop software for niche markets. Single-user and networks. > Databases as large as three million records. Have been reading this > thread with some concern over its intensity. (Perhaps that's due to > the personal stake many have in VO and in this forum.) > > A programming language is merely a business tool. > > In considering a switch to another tool, I ask myself the following > four questions: > > 1. Have I run into something that cannot be accomplished in VO? > > No. > > 2. Would migration help me sell more systems? > > No. Some of my competitors have moved to VS and, quite frankly, I > don't see what the fuss is all about. > > 3. Are my customers looking for a change? > > No. Right now they're thinking it's Tuesday and they have until 4 > to process Friday's payroll. The software? To them it doesn't > matter if it's written in VO or VB or French or Swahili. Only that > it works. > > 4. Would I LOSE anything by switching from VO? > > YES. I would lose Geoff and Paul and Ginny and Phil and Brian and > Willie and Ed and Robert and Oscar and DOZENS of others whose MASSIVE > contributions to this forum have saved me (and many others, I'm sure) > hundreds of hours over the years. Brilliant solutions and topnotch > consulting. For free. > > > Easy decision for me. > > Let's move on to another topic. > > -- Joe Curran >
From: Robert van der Hulst on 27 Sep 2006 03:25 Hi Marshall, > Grafx bit the hand that fed them, not the otherway around. The problem is that the hand was not feeding GrafX at all. The hand was only asking for free updates. That is why GrafX decided to start another program to guarantee that feeding would continue: VOPS. Without that program VO would have been dead. -- Robert van der Hulst VO Development Team www.heliks.nl
From: "Marshall Rhinehart" mrhp on 27 Sep 2006 05:36
Robert, I respect your personal effort to do all that you can to make Vulcan a reality. But I question the validity of thinking that VO is anything but dead here. In the entire United States, I know of no new VO positions created in the last three years. One book has been published during this time. My "small" U.S. city once supported 50+ Clipper programmers. Without this news group, literally no news, no documentation, no learning tools of any kind. Rather than giving the non VOPS some kind of update that takes into account the delay in getting something out, complainers are bashed and told to go away. Everyone knows that any one here know, has a lot of code to move. Rather than coming up with a product, and putting a price on it, and seeing if the market will bear it, we've been given VOPS. Blurring the line between customer and partner may have given you a bit of a reprieve. But at the end of the day, you guys need to deliver. As a customer, is it that unreasonable to ask when a product will be complete? If that's bitching...or moaning.... or not playing along, I guess I just don't get it. Good luck in what your trying to do. Unfortunately, if it's not done soon, I'm not sure too many people will care. Marshall "Robert van der Hulst" <E-55525A53-2468-E(a)heliks.nl> wrote in message news:198568332.20060927092536(a)heliks.nl... > Hi Marshall, > >> Grafx bit the hand that fed them, not the otherway around. > > The problem is that the hand was not feeding GrafX at all. The hand was > only asking for free updates. > > That is why GrafX decided to start another program to guarantee that > feeding would continue: VOPS. > > Without that program VO would have been dead. > > -- > Robert van der Hulst > VO Development Team > www.heliks.nl > |