Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8 - yeah right....
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From: Graham McKechnie on 25 Sep 2006 20:44 Phil, > He is someone not very well informed... and informed by a few with an > axe to grind. Oh I think he's a big boy - I'm sure he is capable of making such business decision all by himself. Hey, he must really appreciate you publicly stating some of his income for the next year Phil. Have you dropped a note to the tax commissioner too. That was a really relevent comment to this discussion. >I have like many millions of lines of VO code and a > solid income from these applications. Millions of lines Phil.... you sure have been busy mate.. I suppose that's a $ for every line. > The issue of the attack on Grafx I feel is unwarranted and achieves > nothing. Warranted or not - it should achieve plenty, but I somehow doubt anyone is listening. Graham "Sherlock" <sherlock(a)sherlock.com.au> wrote in message news:1159228098.215986.55140(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Graham > > snip[ Craig is one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. Read his > message again, >> there is no malice in it, he's just another VO user pissed off with Grafx >> letting off a bit of steam. ] > > He is someone not very well informed... and informed by a few with an > axe to grind. > > snip[ Uncle Phil's got another agenda there to be sure. ] > > My agenda is easy. I have like many millions of lines of VO code and a > solid income from these applications. I am investing in probably the > last VO and it needs to be there for me for years to come as I am not > going to rewrite everything in C#. If it ain't broke then dont touch > it and get onto some productive work. > > The issue of the attack on Grafx I feel is unwarranted and achieves > nothing. > > Phil > ------ >
From: "Marshall Rhinehart" mrhp on 25 Sep 2006 20:41 Don, > I'm not sure what "promise" you're referring to, but it doesn't matter. > Your "empty promises" comment implies malicious intent, but where is the > evidence for that? A delivery date that is missed by years, not months, could reasonably be described as an empty promise. If someone thought this was intentional ( I don't ) it would be resolved in court, not here. > You've never underestimated anything? You've always accomplished everying > you've set out to do on time, and got it right the first time? You've > always anticipated and have been prepared for every possible problem > before it ever happened? Yes, I have 'mis'estimated, and when I do, it's between me and my customer. I don't discount a customer who may lose his cool as being unprofessional, but I look at it as something to be learned from. The worst thing a customer can do for a business is quietly walk away. The business loses a customer, and the understanding of why a customer is leaving. Actually, I'm not sure what this has to do with me, did you write me a check lately?. > >> Real world actions have consequences. We don't judge people based on >> their >> good or honorable intentions, but upon the results they actually deliver. > > Grafx has delivered a version of VO that's more stable than anything CA > released in over a decade. Do you expect this for free? > The measuring stick is not against VO, but the other tools that our competitors are using. No, I didn't expect it for free. But, funny you should use the word free, because that is exactly what the copy of C# on my harddrive cost me. > And if someone doesn't meet your expectations, they deserve to be > personally attacked? > >> Clearly, we would have been better off had CA killed VO. > > Why? So you would have been forced into making a decision? You could > have left VO whenever you chose to do so. Your right. The logical conclusion is that time spent waiting for Vulcan would have been better placed learning C#. Marshall
From: Graham McKechnie on 25 Sep 2006 20:55 > I only blame you and Graham for all this. Oh sure Jamal, Geoff and I have screwed it all up for you. What a load of drivel. What sort of stuff are you on!!! "Jamal" <vodotnet_NoSpam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:_GZRg.9321$Wi1.942(a)trnddc06... >> Evil doers? <ROFL> > > I truely mean that! It's not a laughing matter anymore. > >> Just shrug off the discussion and move on. < > > Those were not discussions. They were venmous personal and public attacks. > > I only blame you and Graham for all this. You have contributed to this > mess! I do not know what your problems are, you repeated your points time > and time again, and everyone heard by now out loud, but yet you continue > this vicouse assault. I did not have a problem with you or Graham, neither > Brian, nor Don, and certainely not this NG. Just grow up! > > Jamal > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message > news:45185de4(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >> Evil doers? <ROFL> >> >> Where do you guys get off with the over-emotive language. You realise of >> course that when you respond with such ridiculous words that it destroys >> any credibility in your point of view. We all wanted Brian to take VO >> away from CA - I was one of the architects of persuasion - not a key >> player by any means but one of them. The problem is what has ensued >> since. If you can't understand the frustrations and sense of loss being >> felt by many, many people then I question your bona fides in this >> discussion. >> >> Just shrug off the discussion and move on. >> >> I don't think there is any need to comment in your way as much as your >> express disappointment at Craig. >> >> Geoff >> >> >> "Jamal" <vodotnet_NoSpam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:XmWRg.3527$Vk4.2900(a)trnddc01: >> >>> Don, >>> >>> There is no doubt that some on this NG have lost it all due to the >>> constant >>> barrage of negative posts by the evil doers who have turned this NG into >>> what is right now, a tool to spread their evil hate, smear campaign and >>> agenda. It's really a shame! >>> >>> Without Grafx and Brian's commitment to VO, it would have been dead long >>> time ago. Without VOPS and the support of "real professionals" in the >>> VO >>> community there would be no VO 2.8 and there would be no Vulcan. VOPS >>> has >>> proven to be a real value to me and the produts that I sell and support. >>> This is why I will continue my support of Grafx undeterred by the >>> barking of >>> the evil doers who have nothing else to do. >>> >>> Jamal >> > >
From: Geoff Schaller on 25 Sep 2006 20:49 I hope you're all enjoying all this 'blather' as you put it <g>. It certainly tars you all with the same brush you seem to be complaining about and continues to draw attention to the inadequacies of the whole process. "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:4nr9teFbkka9U1(a)individual.net: > Hi Phil, > > > >Bullshit.. bullshit. You have even less credibility than George Bush > > and this is prettyr low. > > It is low indeed. Some people around here say that although W may be wrong, > at least he doesn't think so. Geoff knows what he's saying is wrong, but he > loves the attention that he gets by saying it more than the truth. I guess > we'll know that he's ready for politics when he begins to believe his own > blather. > > Ginny
From: Sherlock on 25 Sep 2006 22:22
Graham SNIP[ I can guarantee you I'm one guy who would never make it through the front door. ] I was surprised you could make it through the door too.... Phil |