From: Geoff Schaller on
Evil doers? <ROFL>

Where do you guys get off with the over-emotive language. You realise of
course that when you respond with such ridiculous words that it destroys
any credibility in your point of view. We all wanted Brian to take VO
away from CA - I was one of the architects of persuasion - not a key
player by any means but one of them. The problem is what has ensued
since. If you can't understand the frustrations and sense of loss being
felt by many, many people then I question your bona fides in this
discussion.

Just shrug off the discussion and move on.

I don't think there is any need to comment in your way as much as your
express disappointment at Craig.

Geoff


"Jamal" <vodotnet_NoSpam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XmWRg.3527$Vk4.2900(a)trnddc01:

> Don,
>
> There is no doubt that some on this NG have lost it all due to the constant
> barrage of negative posts by the evil doers who have turned this NG into
> what is right now, a tool to spread their evil hate, smear campaign and
> agenda. It's really a shame!
>
> Without Grafx and Brian's commitment to VO, it would have been dead long
> time ago. Without VOPS and the support of "real professionals" in the VO
> community there would be no VO 2.8 and there would be no Vulcan. VOPS has
> proven to be a real value to me and the produts that I sell and support.
> This is why I will continue my support of Grafx undeterred by the barking of
> the evil doers who have nothing else to do.
>
> Jamal

From: Jamal on
> Evil doers? <ROFL>

I truely mean that! It's not a laughing matter anymore.

> Just shrug off the discussion and move on. <

Those were not discussions. They were venmous personal and public attacks.

I only blame you and Graham for all this. You have contributed to this mess!
I do not know what your problems are, you repeated your points time and time
again, and everyone heard by now out loud, but yet you continue this vicouse
assault. I did not have a problem with you or Graham, neither Brian, nor
Don, and certainely not this NG. Just grow up!

Jamal

"Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
news:45185de4(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Evil doers? <ROFL>
>
> Where do you guys get off with the over-emotive language. You realise of
> course that when you respond with such ridiculous words that it destroys
> any credibility in your point of view. We all wanted Brian to take VO away
> from CA - I was one of the architects of persuasion - not a key player by
> any means but one of them. The problem is what has ensued since. If you
> can't understand the frustrations and sense of loss being felt by many,
> many people then I question your bona fides in this discussion.
>
> Just shrug off the discussion and move on.
>
> I don't think there is any need to comment in your way as much as your
> express disappointment at Craig.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> "Jamal" <vodotnet_NoSpam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:XmWRg.3527$Vk4.2900(a)trnddc01:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> There is no doubt that some on this NG have lost it all due to the
>> constant
>> barrage of negative posts by the evil doers who have turned this NG into
>> what is right now, a tool to spread their evil hate, smear campaign and
>> agenda. It's really a shame!
>>
>> Without Grafx and Brian's commitment to VO, it would have been dead long
>> time ago. Without VOPS and the support of "real professionals" in the VO
>> community there would be no VO 2.8 and there would be no Vulcan. VOPS has
>> proven to be a real value to me and the produts that I sell and support.
>> This is why I will continue my support of Grafx undeterred by the barking
>> of
>> the evil doers who have nothing else to do.
>>
>> Jamal
>


From: Geoff Schaller on
Oh puh-leeease!

<g>

Venom has nothing to do with it nor is anything 'evil'. You are simply
descending into the exact same crime you accuse others of. Just calm
down and take the abuse-o-meter down a few notches.

Grow up indeed!




"Jamal" <vodotnet_NoSpam(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_GZRg.9321$Wi1.942(a)trnddc06:

> > Evil doers? <ROFL>
>
>
> I truely mean that! It's not a laughing matter anymore.
>
>
> > Just shrug off the discussion and move on. <
>
>
> Those were not discussions. They were venmous personal and public attacks.
>
> I only blame you and Graham for all this. You have contributed to this mess!
> I do not know what your problems are, you repeated your points time and time
> again, and everyone heard by now out loud, but yet you continue this vicouse
> assault. I did not have a problem with you or Graham, neither Brian, nor
> Don, and certainely not this NG. Just grow up!
>
> Jamal
>

From: Sherlock on
Graham

snip[ Craig is one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. Read his
message again,
> there is no malice in it, he's just another VO user pissed off with Grafx
> letting off a bit of steam. ]

He is someone not very well informed... and informed by a few with an
axe to grind.

snip[ Uncle Phil's got another agenda there to be sure. ]

My agenda is easy. I have like many millions of lines of VO code and a
solid income from these applications. I am investing in probably the
last VO and it needs to be there for me for years to come as I am not
going to rewrite everything in C#. If it ain't broke then dont touch
it and get onto some productive work.

The issue of the attack on Grafx I feel is unwarranted and achieves
nothing.

Phil
------

From: Ginny Caughey on
Hi Phil,

>Bullshit.. bullshit. You have even less credibility than George Bush
and this is prettyr low.

It is low indeed. Some people around here say that although W may be wrong,
at least he doesn't think so. Geoff knows what he's saying is wrong, but he
loves the attention that he gets by saying it more than the truth. I guess
we'll know that he's ready for politics when he begins to believe his own
blather.

Ginny


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