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From: Darrell Stec on 10 Oct 2009 13:56 central inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:36:53 -0400, Darrell Stec wrote: > >> ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: >> >>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:59:39 +0000, monti ciski wrote: >>> >>>> I want to learn more about Wine and how to run it....use it with games >>>> etc. Any good resources out there? >>> >>> It ain't rocket science. You install wine, then do 'wine programname' >>> to run it. >> >> >> It can be a little more complicated. > > This I rate as a polite understatement. > >> Sometimes you have to set options >> switches to make something happen correctly. > > When you've got that far. > >> Other times you might have >> to add a standard Windows dll or other file to get something to work. > > Honestly, I don't think I've got anything running without it whinging > about no Iexplorer That is indeed the biggie. What really gets to me is that some programs are web based running on Linux servers, yet require the consumer to use a Windows program to access their program. > / some obscure dll missing etc etc. Life is too short. > Get VMware, or if you must, Crossover office. And if you want games, then > go get a console - at least you'll still have your sanity at the end of > it :) -- Later, Darrell
From: ray on 10 Oct 2009 14:32 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:36:53 -0400, Darrell Stec wrote: > ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:59:39 +0000, monti ciski wrote: >> >>> I want to learn more about Wine and how to run it....use it with games >>> etc. Any good resources out there? >> >> It ain't rocket science. You install wine, then do 'wine programname' >> to run it. > > > It can be a little more complicated. Sometimes you have to set options > switches to make something happen correctly. Other times you might have > to add a standard Windows dll or other file to get something to work. Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to be added.
From: ray on 11 Oct 2009 10:48 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:54:43 +0200, houghi wrote: > ray wrote: >> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get >> started. Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's >> that had to be added. > > I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I > would run Windows programs. > 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux 2) Look if I > realy need the program and retry step 1. 3) Use a dedicated Windows > machine > 4) Use a Virtual Manager > 5) Use dualboot > 6) Use Wine That's all well and good. The only app I run via wine is chairgun: 1) could not find an alternative - I've written a very basic program that does most of what I need, but not all. I'm still working on it. 2) yes, I really need the program. It is absolutely invaluable to airgun shooters. 3) I don't HAVE a dedicated windows machine. 4) I'd use a virtual manager, but I don't have a copy of MS I can install. 5) no, I'm not going to dual boot. We have exactly one machine in the house that will boot xp - my wife's desktop. I have charigun running on my two desktops and my laptop. 6) yes, I do use wine - after I sorted out the two or three dll's I needed to add for it to work, it runs quite well - though slowly - see 1). > > This means that I would need to look at the function of the program > (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) > and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) This also means that > I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be botherd by paying the > price for an official version of Windows AND the price for the program, > then I realy do not need that program. It can even mean that I must need > add the price of a computer (Step 1) > > It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the > Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running > Windows. Such is life. > > Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I > would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including > 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the > Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR > http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on > "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) > > That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. > > So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always > before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not > use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. > > houghi
From: Van Chocstraw on 11 Oct 2009 11:17 houghi wrote: > ray wrote: >> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. >> Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to >> be added. > > I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I > would run Windows programs. > 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux > 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. > 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine > 4) Use a Virtual Manager > 5) Use dualboot > 6) Use Wine > > This means that I would need to look at the function of the program > (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) > and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) > This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be > botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the > price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. > It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) > > It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the > Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running > Windows. Such is life. > > Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I > would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including > 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the > Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR > http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on > "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) > > That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. > > So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always > before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not > use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. > > houghi Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual machine on Linux)
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 13:08
houghi inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > ray wrote: >> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. >> Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to >> be added. > > I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I > would run Windows programs. > 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux > 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. > 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine > 4) Use a Virtual Manager > 5) Use dualboot > 6) Use Wine > > This means that I would need to look at the function of the program > (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) > and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) > This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be > botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the > price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. > It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) > > It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the > Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running > Windows. Such is life. > > Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I > would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including > 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the > Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR > http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on > "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) > > That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. > > So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always > before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not > use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. > > houghi You are more venturesome than most of my customers. They hate even minor changes to their familiar programs let alone learn a whole new operating system. Heck you can really trip up a lot of MS Windows users by changing the themes and colors. Change the curson to a little dinosaur and watch them go beserk. And I am not exaggerating either. -- Later, Darrell |