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From: Van Chocstraw on 11 Oct 2009 17:43 Darrell Stec wrote: > Van Chocstraw inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> houghi wrote: >>> ray wrote: >>>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. >>>> Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to >>>> be added. >>> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >>> would run Windows programs. >>> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux >>> 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. >>> 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine >>> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >>> 5) Use dualboot >>> 6) Use Wine >>> >>> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >>> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) >>> and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) >>> This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be >>> botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the >>> price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. >>> It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) >>> >>> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the >>> Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >>> Windows. Such is life. >>> >>> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I >>> would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >>> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >>> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >>> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >>> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >>> >>> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >>> >>> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >>> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not >>> use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. >>> >>> houghi >> Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, >> positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something >> the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual >> machine on Linux) > > The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating system > disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration partition. I'm > sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a good > alternative. > If you need windows that bad go buy it and install it on the VM.
From: ray on 11 Oct 2009 18:15 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:31:39 -0400, Darrell Stec wrote: > ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:54:31 +0200, houghi wrote: >> >>> ray wrote: >>>> That's only a part of the functionality. It is a comprehensive >>>> trajectory analysis program with many options. Yes, what you've >>>> described is not difficult to do. >>> >>> Well, that is all I saw on the screenshot. :-D And what it does is >>> basicaly what the first computer in the world was doing. >>> >>>>> If a Windows program was something I would absolutely need, I would >>>>> buy that. >>>> >>>> Why - when it runs adequately with 'wine'? >>> >>> Because I would like to run things as much in their native enviroment >>> as possible. e.g. I would also not run Linux native programs on >>> Windows. If it does not run, next. >>> >>> There is not yet one program or even OS that I could not live without. >>> Not at work, not in my private life. Many that make things easy, but >>> not one I could not do without. >>> >>> houghi >> >> I don't think anyone abhors the act any more than I do. Running in wine >> is a last resort for me. Yes, I could certainly live without chairgun >> but it certainly makes life a LOT easier at this point. > > Just goes to show you what little I know about guns. Here I thought all > one had to do is point, aim and squeeze the trigger [and if you're > lucky, something falls down]. The kicker is knowing where to point. In airgun field target, we have metal targets with a 'killzone' or hold which ranges from 3/8" to 1-1/2". Targets are randomly spaced at a distance of 10 to 55 yards. Since the 'drop' at 50 yards from a 30 yard 'zero' can be several inches, one needs to estimate the range accurately and then compensate for it. > >> My sole point was >> that there are indeed a few programs which are not available and cannot >> be easily duplicated on Linux - there's no need to beat yourself up >> over them if they run or can easily be made to run via wine. In this >> case it took me about 45 minutes to figure it out. It has quite >> literaly saved me many hours of time at the range - it was indeed a >> good investment of my time. I've corresponded with the author about >> converting it so that it could be multiplatform, but he's not ready to >> take that step yet. I don't think it would be that difficult to take >> everything he's done and convert it to java - but he's not willing to >> give me access to the source code to do that. So, in the meantime, I >> make do - and work on my own program a little at a time. > > What language did he use to write the program? Surely he can tell you > that much. I believe it was visual/c or visual/basick > > I ran into a similar situation. My brother is a commercial airline > pilot and I help him with his logs from time to time. He uses Logbook > Pro. On the website's forum several people have asked the author to > port it to Linux. Basically he says he is not interesting in doing so. > Some asked about some pointers on running the program under Wine. He > said it would not run on that program and didn't have time to figure out > why. > > I told him I have it working perfectly in Linux under Wine all except > for the startup sound (of the engines starting up). Of course I had to > do to some tweaking here, adjusting there, and borrowing a few DLLs > everywhere coupled with a few upgrades of Wine. The tragedy is that I > haven't documented everything I did and when I finally have to sacrifice > my openSuse 10.3 to the upgrade gods, it might be deja vu all over > again. Yea, notes are good.
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 18:42 ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: >> >>> My sole point was >>> that there are indeed a few programs which are not available and cannot >>> be easily duplicated on Linux - there's no need to beat yourself up >>> over them if they run or can easily be made to run via wine. In this >>> case it took me about 45 minutes to figure it out. It has quite >>> literaly saved me many hours of time at the range - it was indeed a >>> good investment of my time. I've corresponded with the author about >>> converting it so that it could be multiplatform, but he's not ready to >>> take that step yet. I don't think it would be that difficult to take >>> everything he's done and convert it to java - but he's not willing to >>> give me access to the source code to do that. So, in the meantime, I >>> make do - and work on my own program a little at a time. >> >> What language did he use to write the program? Surely he can tell you >> that much. > > I believe it was visual/c or visual/basick Too bad he won't port it. It should be rather easy if he would just install Linux on his computer. Perhaps pointing his to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/802970/how-to-build-a-visual-c-project-for-linux might help him change his mind. If he adhered to the standards, it might even be a breeze. But then there is always that fear of change. I see it when people move from ME to WinXP, or WinXP to Vista. They make more problems for themselves than people who buy XP or Vista as their first machine. I have a few former customers whose first computer had Linux on it. They didn't know any difference because the programs all work similarly. But then too they did not miss all malware problems their friends and neighbors were experiencing. Heck, even my brother came over to visit, sat in front of my machine and started using Firefox and OpenOffice Writer for about half an hour before he noticed that he was not using Windows. Of course I installed both those products on his WinXP and Vista machines some time ago. -- Later, Darrell
From: Vahis on 11 Oct 2009 23:22 On 2009-10-11, Darrell Stec <darstec(a)neo.rr.com> wrote: > Vahis inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> On 2009-10-11, Darrell Stec <darstec(a)neo.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >> >> Here's one solution: >> http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ >> >> Vahis > > Thanks. Looks interesting. I have virtualbox installed. Do you know if > this product will work with it? No, sorry. Vahis -- "Sunrise 7:54am (EEST), sunset 6:18pm (EEST) at Espoo, Finland (10:23 hours daylight)" http://waxborg.servepics.com Linux 2.6.25.20-0.5-default #1 SMP 2009-08-14 01:48:11 +0200 x86_64 6:21am up 20 days 13:01, 13 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.02
From: Vahis on 12 Oct 2009 11:33
On 2009-10-12, houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > Vahis wrote: >>> Thanks. Looks interesting. I have virtualbox installed. Do you know if >>> this product will work with it? >> >> No, sorry. > > No, you don know, or No, it won't work? > His question was:"Do you know...?" My answer was: "No" It means: No, I don't know. Yes would mean I know. (but I won't tell) Yes, no. That would mean yes I know, no it doesn't work. Is there something else I can help you with? And, of course, at the end of the last line: :) Vahis -- "Sunrise 7:54am (EEST), sunset 6:18pm (EEST) at Espoo, Finland (10:23 hours daylight)" http://waxborg.servepics.com Linux 2.6.25.20-0.5-default #1 SMP 2009-08-14 01:48:11 +0200 x86_64 6:27pm up 21 days 1:07, 14 users, load average: 0.04, 0.39, 0.46 |