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From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 13:14 Van Chocstraw inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > houghi wrote: >> ray wrote: >>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. >>> Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to >>> be added. >> >> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >> would run Windows programs. >> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux >> 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. >> 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine >> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >> 5) Use dualboot >> 6) Use Wine >> >> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) >> and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) >> This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be >> botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the >> price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. >> It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) >> >> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the >> Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >> Windows. Such is life. >> >> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I >> would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >> >> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >> >> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not >> use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. >> >> houghi > > Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, > positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something > the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual > machine on Linux) The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating system disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration partition. I'm sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a good alternative. -- Later, Darrell
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 13:24 ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:54:43 +0200, houghi wrote: > >> ray wrote: >>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get >>> started. Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's >>> that had to be added. >> >> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >> would run Windows programs. >> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux 2) Look if I >> realy need the program and retry step 1. 3) Use a dedicated Windows >> machine >> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >> 5) Use dualboot >> 6) Use Wine > > That's all well and good. The only app I run via wine is chairgun: > 1) could not find an alternative - I've written a very basic program that > does most of what I need, but not all. I'm still working on it. What is chairgun? Can the gun be operated from anywhere else, for instance a couch or table? > 2) yes, I really need the program. It is absolutely invaluable to airgun > shooters. Airguns are now computer controlled? Wow. And here I thought it was really, really something that Kstars could control my telescope if I actually had a motor on it. > 3) I don't HAVE a dedicated windows machine. > 4) I'd use a virtual manager, but I don't have a copy of MS I can install. > 5) no, I'm not going to dual boot. We have exactly one machine in the > house that will boot xp - my wife's desktop. I have charigun running on > my two desktops and my laptop. > 6) yes, I do use wine - after I sorted out the two or three dll's I > needed to add for it to work, it runs quite well - though slowly - see 1). > I've run into a young man who comes into our local McDonald's for a daily cup of coffee or six (sort of an unofficial gathering place). He started talking about air guns then the one one the Lewis & Clark expedition. I never heard about it before and was skeptical about what he said. Since then I've researched more about that gun and airguns in general. Amazing history. Now I did have a German instructor in high school who had an expensive high powered "sniper" pellet rifle decades ago, but did not think much about it. I'm not much of a gun lover, but I think the air rifle is fascinating. > >> >> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) >> and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) This also means that >> I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be botherd by paying the >> price for an official version of Windows AND the price for the program, >> then I realy do not need that program. It can even mean that I must need >> add the price of a computer (Step 1) >> >> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the >> Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >> Windows. Such is life. >> >> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I >> would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >> >> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >> >> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not >> use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. >> >> houghi -- Later, Darrell
From: Vahis on 11 Oct 2009 13:27 On 2009-10-11, Darrell Stec <darstec(a)neo.rr.com> wrote: >> >> Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, >> positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something >> the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual >> machine on Linux) > > The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating system > disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration partition. I'm > sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a good > alternative. Here's one solution: http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ Vahis -- "Sunrise 7:52am (EEST), sunset 6:21pm (EEST) at Espoo, Finland (10:28 hours daylight)" http://waxborg.servepics.com Linux 2.6.25.20-0.5-default #1 SMP 2009-08-14 01:48:11 +0200 x86_64 8:25pm up 20 days 3:05, 13 users, load average: 0.06, 0.13, 0.10
From: propman on 11 Oct 2009 14:42 Darrell Stec wrote: > Van Chocstraw inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> houghi wrote: >>> ray wrote: >>>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get started. >>>> Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's that had to >>>> be added. >>> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >>> would run Windows programs. >>> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux >>> 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. >>> 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine >>> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >>> 5) Use dualboot >>> 6) Use Wine >>> >>> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >>> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) >>> and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) >>> This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be >>> botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the >>> price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. >>> It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) >>> >>> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the >>> Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >>> Windows. Such is life. >>> >>> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I >>> would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >>> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >>> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >>> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >>> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >>> >>> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >>> >>> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >>> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do not >>> use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just me. >>> >>> houghi >> Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, >> positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something >> the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual >> machine on Linux) > > The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating system > disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration partition. FWIW, there is usually an option to burn a Recovery DVD or CD Recovery Disk set, which AFAIK, contain all the files located in the hidden partition. > sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a good > alternative. > That said....at present time, I don't have the resources to see if the Recovery Disks will install to a VM (had to "donate" my openSUSE box to my wife). Again FWIW, there was an interesting recent thread in comp.os.linux.misc with the subject of "virtual machines".
From: ray on 11 Oct 2009 15:02
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:13 -0400, Darrell Stec wrote: > ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > >> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:54:43 +0200, houghi wrote: >> >>> ray wrote: >>>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get >>>> started. Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's >>>> that had to be added. >>> >>> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >>> would run Windows programs. >>> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux 2) Look if I >>> realy need the program and retry step 1. 3) Use a dedicated Windows >>> machine >>> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >>> 5) Use dualboot >>> 6) Use Wine >> >> That's all well and good. The only app I run via wine is chairgun: 1) >> could not find an alternative - I've written a very basic program that >> does most of what I need, but not all. I'm still working on it. > > > What is chairgun? Can the gun be operated from anywhere else, for > instance a couch or table? chairgun is a program for calculating trajectories of projectiles. It has many options and performs a large number of ancillary functions. Very comprehensive. > >> 2) yes, I really need the program. It is absolutely invaluable to >> airgun shooters. > > > Airguns are now computer controlled? Wow. And here I thought it was > really, really something that Kstars could control my telescope if I > actually had a motor on it. Can be if you want, but that's not the issue. > >> 3) I don't HAVE a dedicated windows machine. 4) I'd use a virtual >> manager, but I don't have a copy of MS I can install. 5) no, I'm not >> going to dual boot. We have exactly one machine in the house that will >> boot xp - my wife's desktop. I have charigun running on my two desktops >> and my laptop. >> 6) yes, I do use wine - after I sorted out the two or three dll's I >> needed to add for it to work, it runs quite well - though slowly - see >> 1). >> >> > I've run into a young man who comes into our local McDonald's for a > daily cup of coffee or six (sort of an unofficial gathering place). He > started talking about air guns then the one one the Lewis & Clark > expedition. I never heard about it before and was skeptical about what > he said. Since then I've researched more about that gun and airguns in > general. Amazing history. Quite. You'd probably be amazed at the accuracy that can be attained by modern airguns out to and in some cases exceeding 100 yards. > > Now I did have a German instructor in high school who had an expensive > high powered "sniper" pellet rifle decades ago, but did not think much > about it. I'm not much of a gun lover, but I think the air rifle is > fascinating. > > >> >>> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >>> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an >>> attachment) and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) This >>> also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be >>> botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the >>> price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. It can >>> even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) >>> >>> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need >>> the Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >>> Windows. Such is life. >>> >>> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest >>> I would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >>> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >>> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >>> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >>> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >>> >>> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >>> >>> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >>> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do >>> not use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just >>> me. >>> >>> houghi |