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From: ray on 11 Oct 2009 15:15 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:56:07 +0200, houghi wrote: > ray wrote: >> That's all well and good. The only app I run via wine is chairgun: > > Never heard about it. From what I see in the screenshot, it could be > done in a spreadsheet. I will most likely be wrong. :-D Again from the > screenshott what you do is fill out a lot of numbers (probably from a > database of some sort). Do a lot of caluclations on them and put those > in graphs. > Looks like something that should be doable in php and thus directly in a > website.(1) That's only a part of the functionality. It is a comprehensive trajectory analysis program with many options. Yes, what you've described is not difficult to do. > > >> 1) could not find an alternative - I've written a very basic program >> that does most of what I need, but not all. I'm still working on it. > > Great. Perhaps others can help. > >> 2) yes, I really need the program. It is absolutely invaluable to >> airgun shooters. > > OK. > >> 3) I don't HAVE a dedicated windows machine. > > Neither have I. > >> 4) I'd use a virtual manager, but I don't have a copy of MS I can >> install. > > If a Windows program was something I would absolutely need, I would buy > that. Why - when it runs adequately with 'wine'? > >> 5) no, I'm not going to dual boot. We have exactly one machine in the >> house that will boot xp - my wife's desktop. I have charigun running on >> my two desktops and my laptop. > > You _could_ run it on that machine and then access it remotely in some > way or another. No idea how as I know almost next to nothing about > Windows. > >> 6) yes, I do use wine - after I sorted out the two or three dll's I >> needed to add for it to work, it runs quite well - though slowly - see >> 1). > > I would rather buy a licence then pain me with looking for dll's and > what not.(2) But then that is just me. But then we will most likely have > different definitions of 'need'. > > (1) Just found http://www.maani.us or even better > http://www.maani.us/xml_charts/ where the gallery is amazing. Other > things are available as well that do not need flash (2) I asume it is > legid to use these dll's > > houghi
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 16:23 Vahis inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > On 2009-10-11, Darrell Stec <darstec(a)neo.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, >>> positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something >>> the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual >>> machine on Linux) >> >> The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating >> system >> disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration partition. I'm >> sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a >> good alternative. > > Here's one solution: > http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ > > Vahis Thanks. Looks interesting. I have virtualbox installed. Do you know if this product will work with it? -- Later, Darrell
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 16:24 propman inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > Darrell Stec wrote: >> Van Chocstraw inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: >> >>> houghi wrote: >>>> ray wrote: >>>>> Certainly - it's often more complicated. But that's how you get >>>>> started. Did that with chairgun, then chased down two or three dll's >>>>> that had to be added. >>>> I never had the need for Wine. I have the following order in which I >>>> would run Windows programs. >>>> 1) Look for an alternative that runs nativaly under Linux >>>> 2) Look if I realy need the program and retry step 1. >>>> 3) Use a dedicated Windows machine >>>> 4) Use a Virtual Manager >>>> 5) Use dualboot >>>> 6) Use Wine >>>> >>>> This means that I would need to look at the function of the program >>>> (e.g. I want to write letters and send them to others as an attachment) >>>> and not at the program itself (I want to use Word) >>>> This also means that I would need to look at the cost. If I can not be >>>> botherd by paying the price for an official version of Windows AND the >>>> price for the program, then I realy do not need that program. >>>> It can even mean that I must need add the price of a computer (Step 1) >>>> >>>> It could even be that I can not afford a second computer and I need the >>>> Windows program so often and a VM does not work that I am running >>>> Windows. Such is life. >>>> >>>> Now if I would want to run Office on a dedicated machine, my cheapest I >>>> would need to pay for a new machine would be 411,90EUR (Including >>>> 21%TVA) + 89EUR for Windows XP UK (So just 500 EUR) and 189 for the >>>> Microsoft Office 2007 Basic OEM. So a total of 690EUR >>>> http://www.alternate.be/html/tu.html?sc=-465587565 (Best press on >>>> "Bewerken" if the layout is a bit daft.) >>>> >>>> That is everything, including 20" screen, mouse and keyboard. >>>> >>>> So what I want to say is that I would look at other options always >>>> before looking at running things under Wine. The result is that I do >>>> not use Wine. (To be honest, I never got beyond step 2). That is just >>>> me. >>>> >>>> houghi >>> Using Windows in a virtual machine is the easiest if you absolutely, >>> positively can't find a Linux alternative or really need to do something >>> the Windows way. (just ignore my user agent, it does that in a virtual >>> machine on Linux) >> >> The biggest problem on that is on new computers you get no operating >> system disks, because they are installed on a hidden restoration >> partition. > > FWIW, there is usually an option to burn a Recovery DVD or CD Recovery > Disk set, which AFAIK, contain all the files located in the hidden > partition. > > >> sure someone has found a way around that, but so far I haven't found a >> good alternative. >> > > That said....at present time, I don't have the resources to see if the > Recovery Disks will install to a VM (had to "donate" my openSUSE box to > my wife). > > Again FWIW, there was an interesting recent thread in comp.os.linux.misc > with the subject of "virtual machines". I've tried, but so far have been unsuccessful because there are multiple disks. -- Later, Darrell
From: ray on 11 Oct 2009 17:06 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:54:31 +0200, houghi wrote: > ray wrote: >> That's only a part of the functionality. It is a comprehensive >> trajectory analysis program with many options. Yes, what you've >> described is not difficult to do. > > Well, that is all I saw on the screenshot. :-D And what it does is > basicaly what the first computer in the world was doing. > >>> If a Windows program was something I would absolutely need, I would >>> buy that. >> >> Why - when it runs adequately with 'wine'? > > Because I would like to run things as much in their native enviroment as > possible. e.g. I would also not run Linux native programs on Windows. If > it does not run, next. > > There is not yet one program or even OS that I could not live without. > Not at work, not in my private life. Many that make things easy, but not > one I could not do without. > > houghi I don't think anyone abhors the act any more than I do. Running in wine is a last resort for me. Yes, I could certainly live without chairgun but it certainly makes life a LOT easier at this point. My sole point was that there are indeed a few programs which are not available and cannot be easily duplicated on Linux - there's no need to beat yourself up over them if they run or can easily be made to run via wine. In this case it took me about 45 minutes to figure it out. It has quite literaly saved me many hours of time at the range - it was indeed a good investment of my time. I've corresponded with the author about converting it so that it could be multiplatform, but he's not ready to take that step yet. I don't think it would be that difficult to take everything he's done and convert it to java - but he's not willing to give me access to the source code to do that. So, in the meantime, I make do - and work on my own program a little at a time.
From: Darrell Stec on 11 Oct 2009 17:31
ray inscribed forevermore utilizing silicon chips:: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:54:31 +0200, houghi wrote: > >> ray wrote: >>> That's only a part of the functionality. It is a comprehensive >>> trajectory analysis program with many options. Yes, what you've >>> described is not difficult to do. >> >> Well, that is all I saw on the screenshot. :-D And what it does is >> basicaly what the first computer in the world was doing. >> >>>> If a Windows program was something I would absolutely need, I would >>>> buy that. >>> >>> Why - when it runs adequately with 'wine'? >> >> Because I would like to run things as much in their native enviroment as >> possible. e.g. I would also not run Linux native programs on Windows. If >> it does not run, next. >> >> There is not yet one program or even OS that I could not live without. >> Not at work, not in my private life. Many that make things easy, but not >> one I could not do without. >> >> houghi > > I don't think anyone abhors the act any more than I do. Running in wine > is a last resort for me. Yes, I could certainly live without chairgun but > it certainly makes life a LOT easier at this point. Just goes to show you what little I know about guns. Here I thought all one had to do is point, aim and squeeze the trigger [and if you're lucky, something falls down]. > My sole point was > that there are indeed a few programs which are not available and cannot > be easily duplicated on Linux - there's no need to beat yourself up over > them if they run or can easily be made to run via wine. In this case it > took me about 45 minutes to figure it out. It has quite literaly saved me > many hours of time at the range - it was indeed a good investment of my > time. I've corresponded with the author about converting it so that it > could be multiplatform, but he's not ready to take that step yet. I don't > think it would be that difficult to take everything he's done and convert > it to java - but he's not willing to give me access to the source code to > do that. So, in the meantime, I make do - and work on my own program a > little at a time. What language did he use to write the program? Surely he can tell you that much. I ran into a similar situation. My brother is a commercial airline pilot and I help him with his logs from time to time. He uses Logbook Pro. On the website's forum several people have asked the author to port it to Linux. Basically he says he is not interesting in doing so. Some asked about some pointers on running the program under Wine. He said it would not run on that program and didn't have time to figure out why. I told him I have it working perfectly in Linux under Wine all except for the startup sound (of the engines starting up). Of course I had to do to some tweaking here, adjusting there, and borrowing a few DLLs everywhere coupled with a few upgrades of Wine. The tragedy is that I haven't documented everything I did and when I finally have to sacrifice my openSuse 10.3 to the upgrade gods, it might be deja vu all over again. -- Later, Darrell |