From: Andy Hewitt on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com>:
>
> [...]
> >
> > We pay GoDaddy for domains and hosting. I create and manage the site
> > with iWeb, and find that *very* easy to do.
> >
> > If you're interested, it's here:
> >
> > <http://stmartinandstjohn.org/>
>
> Ouch. >750KB for one page, including nearly 300KB of JavaScript doing,
> as far as I can see, nothing. iWeb never ceases to impress me with
> the quality of its output.

Indeed. But as you can see, I have a mammoth task to migrate all of that
site.

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
From: D.M. Procida on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> > We pay GoDaddy for domains and hosting. I create and manage the site
> > with iWeb, and find that *very* easy to do.
> >
> > If you're interested, it's here:
> >
> > <http://stmartinandstjohn.org/>
>
> Ouch. >750KB for one page, including nearly 300KB of JavaScript doing,
> as far as I can see, nothing. iWeb never ceases to impress me with
> the quality of its output.

I presume the JavaScript is for things like the on-the-fly image
reflections. By the time you've created a few of those, you've made a
net saving.

Daniele
From: Ben Shimmin on
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk>:
> Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
>> > We pay GoDaddy for domains and hosting. I create and manage the site
>> > with iWeb, and find that *very* easy to do.
>> >
>> > If you're interested, it's here:
>> >
>> > <http://stmartinandstjohn.org/>
>>
>> Ouch. >750KB for one page, including nearly 300KB of JavaScript doing,
>> as far as I can see, nothing. iWeb never ceases to impress me with
>> the quality of its output.
>
> I presume the JavaScript is for things like the on-the-fly image
> reflections. By the time you've created a few of those, you've made a
> net saving.

Admittedly I hadn't realised the images were reflected with JavaScript,
but there is no way that would be 300KB -- a quick Google finds a jQuery
plugin to do the same that's 2KB. What is the rest doing? Who knows.
It seems to include the whole Prototype library, anyway, which I'm sure
is greatly helpful. Perhaps there's jQuery in there too, and MooTools,
just for good measure.

Incidentally, the images themselves come to ~420KB. Does iWeb not have
an option for compressing images for the web?

b.

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From: D.M. Procida on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> > I presume the JavaScript is for things like the on-the-fly image
> > reflections. By the time you've created a few of those, you've made a
> > net saving.
>
> Admittedly I hadn't realised the images were reflected with JavaScript,
> but there is no way that would be 300KB -- a quick Google finds a jQuery
> plugin to do the same that's 2KB. What is the rest doing? Who knows.
> It seems to include the whole Prototype library, anyway, which I'm sure
> is greatly helpful. Perhaps there's jQuery in there too, and MooTools,
> just for good measure.

I expect Apple have found a way to do actual magic using JavaScript.

Daniele

From: Andy Hewitt on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk>:
> > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:
> >> > We pay GoDaddy for domains and hosting. I create and manage the site
> >> > with iWeb, and find that *very* easy to do.
> >> >
> >> > If you're interested, it's here:
> >> >
> >> > <http://stmartinandstjohn.org/>
> >>
> >> Ouch. >750KB for one page, including nearly 300KB of JavaScript doing,
> >> as far as I can see, nothing. iWeb never ceases to impress me with
> >> the quality of its output.
> >
> > I presume the JavaScript is for things like the on-the-fly image
> > reflections. By the time you've created a few of those, you've made a
> > net saving.
>
> Admittedly I hadn't realised the images were reflected with JavaScript,
> but there is no way that would be 300KB -- a quick Google finds a jQuery
> plugin to do the same that's 2KB. What is the rest doing? Who knows.
> It seems to include the whole Prototype library, anyway, which I'm sure
> is greatly helpful. Perhaps there's jQuery in there too, and MooTools,
> just for good measure.
>
> Incidentally, the images themselves come to ~420KB. Does iWeb not have
> an option for compressing images for the web?

No idea, it's using images dragged from the media view, from my Aperture
Library.

Actually, you gave me an idea here. I went to check the image sizes, but
there doesn't seem to be an easy way to control that. While doing that I
turned off the reflections, and shadows, which I think may help. Another
thing I spotted was that the templates are using a Browser Background
image, as these pages are plain white, I switched them to colour fill
mode instead. That seems to have made a bit of difference, and they seem
to open much faster now.

Cheers.

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
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