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From: nuny on 11 Jul 2010 07:01 On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > > >> >> for a > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > > >> the universe? > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > > > per se. > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is alive? Mark L. Fergerson
From: Sam Wormley on 11 Jul 2010 08:04 On 7/11/10 5:49 AM, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 10, 9:29 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/10/10 6:29 PM, Joseki wrote: >> >>> Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >>> Matter. >> >> Neutral hydrogen and helium didn't exist for the first 382,000 years. >> The first stars able to synthesize carbon, nitrogen and oxygen didn't >> come into existence until ~ 400,000,000 years. > > What is your point.... oh oh, I get it. The only place in the universe > that has life is,,, on earth eh? > > Isn't that a bit narrow? Try--Life didn't appear until the chemistry of life was available. Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen.
From: Mark K Bilbo on 11 Jul 2010 11:45 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:47:32 -0700, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: >> >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" >> >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of >> >> >> > Christians in creation science. >> >> >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no >> >> >> evidence for a >> >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for >> >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you >> >> >> over the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally >> >> >> with anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been >> >> >> spouting for years. >> >> >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. >> >> >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age >> >> of the universe? >> >> > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >> > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but >> > only can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is >> > sacred or eternal however when they said energy can not be created >> > they do not mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from >> > nothingness. Since it can transform there is a start and finish of >> > the transformation per se. >> >> Then there was a point where there was no life? >> >> > at the point where there was no energy or matter. So do you believe in > Magic? I don't. What's that supposed to mean? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
From: Mark K Bilbo on 11 Jul 2010 11:45 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:01:38 -0700, nuny(a)bid.nes wrote: > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" >> > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com... >> > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of >> > >> >> > Christians in creation science. >> >> > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no >> > >> >> evidence for a >> > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for >> > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you >> > >> >> over the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it >> > >> >> rationally with anyone. You're still spouting the same >> > >> >> nonsense you've been spouting for years. >> >> > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. >> >> > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent >> > >> age of the universe? >> >> > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >> > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but >> > > only can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is >> > > sacred or eternal however when they said energy can not be created >> > > they do not mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from >> > > nothingness. Since it can transform there is a start and finish of >> > > the transformation per se. >> >> > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > alive? How the hell did you get that? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "It's Christmas, for goodness sake. Think about the baby Jesus... up in that tower, letting his hair down... so that the three wise men can climb up and spin the dradel and see if there are six more weeks of winter." -- Karen Walker
From: nuny on 11 Jul 2010 16:34
On Jul 11, 8:45 am, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:01:38 -0700, n...(a)bid.nes wrote: > > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > >> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > >> > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > >> > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > >> > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg- > pacwest.com... > >> > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of > >> > >> >> > Christians in creation science. > > >> > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no > >> > >> >> evidence for a > >> > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > >> > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you > >> > >> >> over the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it > >> > >> >> rationally with anyone. You're still spouting the same > >> > >> >> nonsense you've been spouting for years. > > >> > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > >> > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent > >> > >> age of the universe? > > >> > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > >> > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but > >> > > only can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is > >> > > sacred or eternal however when they said energy can not be created > >> > > they do not mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from > >> > > nothingness. Since it can transform there is a start and finish of > >> > > the transformation per se. > > >> > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > > alive? > > How the hell did you get that? Joseki said: > I guess life is as old as Energy and Matter. The paperweight is matter, and has several forms of energy; those are his sole stated criteria for life. I just want clarification. Mark L. Fergerson |