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From: Joseki on 11 Jul 2010 21:54 On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com.... > > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > > > >> >> for a > > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > > > >> the universe? > > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness.. > > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > > > > per se. > > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > alive? > You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks.
From: Joseki on 11 Jul 2010 21:55 On Jul 11, 8:04 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/11/10 5:49 AM, Joseki wrote: > > > On Jul 10, 9:29 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 7/10/10 6:29 PM, Joseki wrote: > > >>> Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > >>> Matter. > > >> Neutral hydrogen and helium didn't exist for the first 382,000 years. > >> The first stars able to synthesize carbon, nitrogen and oxygen didn't > >> come into existence until ~ 400,000,000 years. > > > What is your point.... oh oh, I get it. The only place in the universe > > that has life is,,, on earth eh? > > > Isn't that a bit narrow? > > Try--Life didn't appear until the chemistry of life was available. > Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen. Oh... oh... I see... yeah, No other forms of life can not exist if they do not have hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen. How dumb of me.
From: Olrik on 12 Jul 2010 00:30 Le 2010-07-11 11:45, Mark K Bilbo a écrit : > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:47:32 -0700, Joseki wrote: > >> On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo<gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: >>>> On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo<gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>> In article<4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" >>>>>> <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> "Jason"<Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >>>>>>>> Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of >>>>>>>> Christians in creation science. >>> >>>>>>> You've been told many times in the past that there is no >>>>>>> evidence for a >>>>>>> magical "creation." There is much evidence for >>>>>>> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you >>>>>>> over the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally >>>>>>> with anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been >>>>>>> spouting for years. >>> >>>>>> There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. >>> >>>>> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age >>>>> of the universe? >>> >>>> Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >>>> Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but >>>> only can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is >>>> sacred or eternal however when they said energy can not be created >>>> they do not mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from >>>> nothingness. Since it can transform there is a start and finish of >>>> the transformation per se. >>> >>> Then there was a point where there was no life? >>> >>> >> at the point where there was no energy or matter. So do you believe in >> Magic? I don't. > > What's that supposed to mean? I'll translate : "I have no clue what I'm talking about." "Joseki" is "Jabriol", a JW creationist trying hard to deny it.
From: nuny on 12 Jul 2010 04:59 On Jul 11, 6:54 pm, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > > > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > > > > >> >> for a > > > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > > > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > > > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > > > > >> the universe? > > > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > > > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > > > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > > > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > > > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. > > > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > > > > > per se. > > > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > > alive? > > You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. So far, it has "stay" down pat, but that's about it. Whether you accept Creation or Evolution, there was a point in time where there was no life. Get over it. Mark L. Fergerson
From: Devils Advocaat on 12 Jul 2010 05:14
On 12 July, 09:59, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 6:54 pm, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > > > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > > > > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > > > > > >> >> for a > > > > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > > > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > > > > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > > > > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > > > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > > > > > >> the universe? > > > > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > > > > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > > > > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > > > > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > > > > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. > > > > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > > > > > > per se. > > > > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > > > alive? > > > You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. > > So far, it has "stay" down pat, but that's about it. You could actually add "sit" and "play dead" to that list :P > > Whether you accept Creation or Evolution, there was a point in time > where there was no life. Get over it. > > Mark L. Fergerson |