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From: martin on 13 Jul 2010 11:51 On 13/07/2010 15:54, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 13, 9:06 am, martin<use...(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote: >> On 13/07/2010 13:28, Joseki wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 13, 8:20 am, martin<use...(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 13/07/2010 13:09, Joseki wrote: >> >>>>> Have you seen otherwise? Life from life can be demonstrated with the >>>>> scientific method. With Probability, that would be a 1. seen it has >>>>> been done and is still being done... But Abiogenesis just doesn't fit >>>>> the math nor Scientific method. >> >>>> Yet we're here. Ergo the probability of life arising from non-life is >>>> exactly 1 >> >>>>>> Mark L. Fergerson >> >>> No it is not. A creationist, which I am not, can say a an old man >>> critter snap us into being and then reply: "Yet we're here. Ergo the >>> probability of life arising from Magic is exactly 1. >> >> That doesn't matter, even a creationist reading the most strict version >> of the bible has to accept abiogenesis. It's in black and white. God >> picked up a handful of mud and breathed life into it. If that doesn't >> qualify nothing will. >> >> > > It doesn't. read the definition for abiogenesis. Very educational. It is life from non-life. By the very definition of the word it is abiogenesis. Simples *squerch*
From: Mark K Bilbo on 13 Jul 2010 12:33 On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:56:31 -0700, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 13, 10:20 am, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:58:02 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> > On Jul 12, 11:32 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:15:12 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> >> > Nope I didn't say that. I said Life like matter and energy can't >> >> > be created just transformed. >> >> >> Wouldn't that end the case for any creation at all? >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic >> >> Subversion >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come >> >> to think of it, there are already a million monkeys >> >> on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like >> >> Shakespeare!" >> >> >> -- Blair Houghton >> >> > No. Dr. Craig Venter Created a synthetic Cell from known organic >> > material. This cell has no parents. It is alive by definition. >> >> If its components were not alive, that's abiogenesis. >> >> By, ahem, definition... >> >> -- >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic >> Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ >> "It's Christmas, for goodness sake. Think about the baby >> Jesus... up in that tower, letting his hair down... so that the three >> wise men can climb up and spin the dradel and see if there are six >> more weeks of winter." >> >> -- Karen Walker > > Not according to the hounds of TO > > http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/ Why do you believe that cite backs your position? -- Mark K. Bilbo EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion #1423 ------------------------------------------------------------ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony
From: Mark K Bilbo on 13 Jul 2010 12:34 On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:58:26 -0700, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 13, 10:20 am, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:58:02 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> > On Jul 12, 11:32 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:15:12 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> >> > Nope I didn't say that. I said Life like matter and energy can't >> >> > be created just transformed. >> >> >> Wouldn't that end the case for any creation at all? >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic >> >> Subversion >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come >> >> to think of it, there are already a million monkeys >> >> on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like >> >> Shakespeare!" >> >> >> -- Blair Houghton >> >> > No. Dr. Craig Venter Created a synthetic Cell from known organic >> > material. This cell has no parents. It is alive by definition. >> >> If its components were not alive, that's abiogenesis. >> >> By, ahem, definition... >> >> > http://www.iscid.org/encyclopedia/Abiogenesis So your claim is that "organic material" is alive? In what sense? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. "Climb out of your holes people!" - Dr. House, on faith
From: Mark K Bilbo on 13 Jul 2010 12:36 On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:54:17 -0700, Joseki wrote: > On Jul 13, 9:06 am, martin <use...(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote: >> On 13/07/2010 13:28, Joseki wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 13, 8:20 am, martin<use...(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote: >> >> On 13/07/2010 13:09, Joseki wrote: >> >> >>> Have you seen otherwise? Life from life can be demonstrated with >> >>> the scientific method. With Probability, that would be a 1. seen it >> >>> has been done and is still being done... But Abiogenesis just >> >>> doesn't fit the math nor Scientific method. >> >> >> Yet we're here. Ergo the probability of life arising from non-life >> >> is exactly 1 >> >> >>>> Mark L. Fergerson >> >> > No it is not. A creationist, which I am not, can say a an old man >> > critter snap us into being and then reply: "Yet we're here. Ergo the >> > probability of life arising from Magic is exactly 1. >> >> That doesn't matter, even a creationist reading the most strict version >> of the bible has to accept abiogenesis. It's in black and white. God >> picked up a handful of mud and breathed life into it. If that doesn't >> qualify nothing will. >> > It doesn't. read the definition for abiogenesis. Very educational. Even by one of your own cites: "Abiogenesis is the proposal that life emerged from non-life..." Is mud a living thing? -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the ones that need help?" -- Jon Stoll
From: Joseki on 13 Jul 2010 13:19
On Jul 13, 12:33 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:56:31 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > On Jul 13, 10:20 am, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:58:02 -0700, Joseki wrote: > >> > On Jul 12, 11:32 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:15:12 -0700, Joseki wrote: > >> >> > Nope I didn't say that. I said Life like matter and energy can't > >> >> > be created just transformed. > > >> >> Wouldn't that end the case for any creation at all? > > >> >> -- > >> >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic > >> >> Subversion > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come > >> >> to think of it, there are already a million monkeys > >> >> on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like > >> >> Shakespeare!" > > >> >> -- Blair Houghton > > >> > No. Dr. Craig Venter Created a synthetic Cell from known organic > >> > material. This cell has no parents. It is alive by definition. > > >> If its components were not alive, that's abiogenesis. > > >> By, ahem, definition... > > >> -- > >> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic > >> Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> "It's Christmas, for goodness sake. Think about the baby > >> Jesus... up in that tower, letting his hair down... so that the three > >> wise men can climb up and spin the dradel and see if there are six > >> more weeks of winter." > > >> -- Karen Walker > > > Not according to the hounds of TO > > >http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/ > > Why do you believe that cite backs your position? > > -- > Mark K. Bilbo > EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion #1423 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants > them to do because I notice it always coincides with their > own desires." > > -- Susan B. Anthony There seem to be a debate between creationist wannabe and evolutionist wannabe on the definition. Using the laymen term, the cite would support my view. |